Awesome conversation! I've been of the same opinion in the direction we are going. Very sad but the Bible does point to all this. My hope is entirely in Jesus Christ! Definitely not in man! My thoughts are as Paul, To live is Christ to die is gain. I win either way!
I think the war is total . But it is not drones. It is reproductive.
The emerging power intends to use the separation of sex and reproduction. The permanent infertility. The designed infertility and then, the pod or production if an all male slave force. Thus no competitive society emerges.
In Dr John Coleman's book on the Tavistock Institute, he claims early on that a major early imperative for them was the degradation of women. That was the first step. Now we don't exist. The other day the UK Women's Pool Championship final featured two biological men playing against each other.
Sorry, but if it weren’t so ridiculous, that would be hilarious. :) They became “women” to beat women and now they’re playing against another man. Oh, the irony…. :)
He embeds clips from those who have seen what is going on in Gaza. I hope others will watch them.
My point is this:
It is not the question of the mechanics of eschatology that should be foremost in our minds, as though we are putting the pieces of a jigsaw puzzle together, as though we are waiting for the denouement of some soap opera, always looking for the next event to reconfirm that the time is near. It is. In the past, others have distorted the Bible to make it look as though the events of their time proved that the end had arrived, but they did it for political purposes (the Reformation) or to sell books (the past few decades). Their distortion of Scripture should have been obvious.
As Christians, it is always the character of the kingdom of God, overcoming evil with good, that should be our greatest concern. Beyond that, what has been written is to sustain us, when it looks as though God has abandoned His people to the point of death. (By the way, we are preserved from the WRATH of God, not from tribulation, and a simple word study will show that the 3-1/2 years (not seven) of "the great tribulation" is completely distinct from what is described as the WRATH of God, which follows this great tribulation. The sequence of events, with a pre-wrath rapture, not a pre-trib rapture, are easily demonstrated by beginning with Thessalonians and carefully studying the gospels alongside. The other argument frequently used by pre-tribbers - that the event will surprise everyone, is also easily refuted with a simple study. Sorry I don’t have the citations at hand at the moment, but people should do their own studies anyway.
Anyone who is examining the question of end-times matters should reel at the descriptions that James Perloff (and so many others) have given us. Our conscience, our humanity, should be troubled, if we say "God stands behind Israel" in this manner, in this context. God WILL FULFILL HIS PROMISES TO ISRAEL. Israel has not been replaced by the church, as I believe Chuck Baldwin teaches - something clear from Romans. To deny this is a greater intellectual theft of what is rightfully theirs than to denounce what they are doing to those around them in the Middle East.
Gentiles are not to sneer at the Jews with a sense of superiority, because we are the ones grafted in. From them are the prophets, and the preservation of the Scriptures. They are entitled to due honor for this. But that does not mean God stands behind Israel in the way those words suggest here, that we are to act as though we are simply watching an errant child throw a fit. No, I would not take military action against Israel, but as a member of the kingdom of God I would not align myself with military action against any nation. I would not argue against providing humanitarian aid for injured Israelis, including their soldiers, any more than I would argue against assistance to anyone who is suffering, in peace, or in war. What Israel needs, what those who love Israel hope to see, is their recognition of their Messiah - but only God can accomplish that, and has told us how it will happen. That is His work to do. Ours, in the meantime, is to be peacemakers, to defend widows and orphans. That is the real message of Scripture - not "stand with Israel" in a politicized distortion of what they Bible teaches, as they destroy their neighbors to get land by human effort. This should not be difficult to see.
There is a very serious moral issue with the idea that God would build His promises of Israel's return on the slaughter of women and children in Gaza. It makes the God of the Bible look like a monster, on par with the gods of so many false religions. That is what should bother us. That is what should cause us, if not to arrive at immediate answers, to search for better answers than a pre-trib rapture and the error that it is our job to "stand" behind Israel. That is why I said, previously, that THIS is not the fulfillment of God's promise of the ingathering of Israel. When the antichrist sits in the temple, declaring himself to be God, Israel will suffer though this greatest of tribulations, and the then-remnant WILL BE DISPERSED AS SLAVES into the nations (per Scripture). It is from THAT dispersion that they return, so that our God does not lay the foundation of Israel returning to their land on the slaughter of innocents. The return to Israel of recent history is a secular fake of the real thing, and we should not be fooled into supporting Israel politically in this. We are not called to be political, but to proclaim the gospel.
Even if someone does not have the time for a detailed analysis of Bible prophecy, we all can, and all should, be able to discern that something is wrong with what is going on - that it is an extreme affront to the character of our God. This is something not lost on critics of Christianity who find this to be nothing more than another stumbling block, in a world that is already hostile to our beliefs. We prove ourselves to be men and women of lesser conscience than our non-Christian peers when we take this position. What are we to say to our detractors - that it's their problem because their humanitarian concerns will simply cause them to be the ones "left behind?" The entire paradigm needs to be reworked, so that it can follow what Scripture actually teaches, because we serve a God who is both merciful and just to ALL humankind. Fortunately, if we start with the character of God, Scripture will provide us with a satisfactory solution to these questions of where everything is headed.
This was a really good conversation. Some thoughts I jotted down along the way…
I DO live in the woods and try to be self-sufficient. It is impossible. I can’t earn money without working for people. To do that, I need transportation which means I need a vehicle, gas, mechanic, car parts… and the money to get them. I have thought this through and realized that if they were to implement a non-cash payment system, I could hold out for a while, but in my state, if you don’t pay your property taxes for 3 years, the town can confiscate your land/house. That means that all my tools and supplies and gardens and woods (for harvesting wood for my wood stove to cook and heat) could be taken away, with me thrown out with nothing. They have us over a barrel where they can eventually pin us into a corner, assuming they don’t just ship us all to FEMA camps.
As far as those of us who don’t believe in viruses or germ theory, we do believe there are poisons that can make people sick. There are also nutritional deficiencies that cause trouble in a world where much of what is sold and consumed as food is really NOT food. Similar to scurvy, which was thought to be contagious as one sailor after another would “catch” it, there are likely other vitamin, mineral, and nutrient deficiencies whose dots have not yet been connected. There is a lot of information available to those willing to look at it. Vitamin A deficiencies make people susceptible to various “diseases.” Check out the Weston A. Price Foundation.
As far as Israel - read Dave Hunt. The Berean Call website.
How would a person give advice to someone they know in a situation where their neighbors were trying to kill their children by throwing firecrackers at them, ramming them with their 4 wheelers, putting explosives in their car, taking their family members as hostages and killing some and demanding they vacate their house, etc.? I am not a fan of Netanyahu. Nor do I believe that Israel is a righteous nation. But I believe God has chosen Israel, that He has made promises to Israel, and that He will fulfill those promises. God will correct Israel and punish Israel for her disobedience, but that is up to Him. He also tells us that He will bless those who bless Israel and curse those who curse Israel.
As far as defending against physical aggression, I don’t see what else Israel can do. Do people realize Israel is surrounded by people who want to completely destroy her? How many Muslim nations are there? What is their geographical size compared to the one Jewish nation? How many of these countries have actively launched attacks against Israel in the past 18 months (to say nothing of the past 77 years)? How many have assisted or facilitated attacks against Israel? As it has often been said, if the terrorists were to lay down their weapons, there would be peace. If israel were to lay down her weapons, there would be no more Jews/israel. “Traveling Israel” is a really good source of information - historical and otherwise - about Israel on YouTube.
The fact is that Israel (and possibly the world) will fall for a false messiah (a better translation than “anti-christ”). Israel as a whole is still not bowing to Yeshua the Messiah. But Israel is still God’s people. The land is still God’s land that He designated for Abraham’s descendants. One day, Israel will have all the land God promised to Abraham - from the river to the river.
What I hate to see is devotion to Jesus Christ, as our Lord and Savior, hijacked by the pre-trib Christian Zionist movement.
The history of the pre-trib fraud has been adequately documented, both respect to the actors and the events that led to this poisonous doctrine, which has gotten thoroughly entrenched among evangelicals. At this point, everyone should be aware of that history, because a person is not fully informed on this issue if they are not. But putting that aside, enough has been written in opposition to the pre-trib rapture, that it is now impossible to ignore the fact that it has been demonstrated to be unscriptural from the standpoint of solid hermeneutics. Certainly, one can say that it's just my opinion, but that, too, is such a loss, to see believers who have no idea how to determine what the Bible teaches, and what it does not. What the Bible teaches can be discerned, and false doctrine can be refuted. The Bible itself tells us that, and to pretend that we do not have this ability is to deny the Bible's own teachings. We have not been left in a state of confusion, where each person's opinion is as good as that of another - we have absolute truth, and mature Christians, those who teach, should be able to see when deception has crept in.
Doctrinal mistakes have consequences. The first consequence is that the pre-trib rapture makes Christians look like what they really want is a get-out-of-jail free card. Those who have endured suffering on this earth, especially Christians who are tortured and killed for their faith, are entitled to look at this belief as shallow escapism, and a failure to come to terms with the fact that we are called to endure. Instead of preparing ourselves, when time is so short, for the demands of faith, we are expecting to be given a pass. What happens, then, when the rapture fails to take place as scheduled? Will faith dissolve when believers remain on earth and are overcome by the antichrist, as prophesied in Daniel?
The pre-trib position is based on a conceptual paradigm that is not found in the Bible. We are told by the pre-trib camp that God does not deal with Christians and Jews in the same dispensation. But what of the early Christian church, when, for forty years following the death of Christ, both Christians and Jews lived in a transition period that was fraught with issues, and not resolved until the destruction of the temple in 70 AD? Read Romans - Paul's speech to the believers, with the unbelieving Jews reading over the shoulder of the recipients of that letter. Paul's words say it all. Read Galatians to observe the extreme, treacherous entanglement of Jews and Christians. Without this false conceptual background, of hyper-dispensationalism, the pre-trib rapture theory rests on nothing more than reading into verses something that isn't there at all. A "secret" rapture takes place much as Gnostics use the Bible to find "secret" doctrines hidden between the lines. There is no secret. We cannot make a single, visible return of Christ and turn it into a double. There is no way to reconcile all of the prophetic verses of the Old and New Testaments, without distorting them, to arrive at a pre-trib rapture. I have never seen it.
The pre-trib rapture doctrine is not without its purpose - it enables believers to be aggressive about advocating disaster in the Middle East. "I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you" is often cited as justification, as is the idea that the Jews are entitled to their land. Show me anything in the Bible, either Testament, that says the land is to be taken by human effort, that we are given the authority to decide who will experience God's wrath at the hands of a secular Jewish nation. No, the promises are delivered exclusively by the hand of God, who tells us there will be a faithful remnant, in the end. That is why the final dispersion of the Jews is still in the future - because God won't rely on the work done by man - Jew or Gentile - to give them "their land." But that is all that has happened so far.
We are not called to be political, and certainly not to support war. We are to be peacemakers because the methods of God will not be circumvented. Any effort to enforce the right of the Jews to their land by human hands is building on sand.
And, by the way, the rest of that verse in Genesis 12:3 says "and in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed." Is that what is happening through secular Israel today? All the nations are blessed? Ask those who live in Gaza, in the West Bank, in Lebanon, and in Syria, as we wait to see what will happen with Iran. Has anyone here seen the images? Read the reports of unbiased witnesses? You call this a blessing?
God divorced (the ten tribes of) Israel in Hosea. Was He unaware of His own command that He must always bless the Jews? Read Matthew 3:7-9. Where is this unconditional support that we are supposed to provide as we stand behind Israel? Did someone forget to tell Jesus Christ to speak to the Pharisees with due respect? Does anybody read what is taking place in Gaza? Believers turn their backs on the unspeakable horrors because of a misreading of their Bibles, a misreading of Abraham's blessing, claimed falsely by secular Jews, and ignoring the clearly stated call to be peacemakers - and not peace through war. Believers are hanging onto their crosses while innocents are shot. It reminds me of those who sung their hymns all the more loudly in Germany, to drown out the screams of the Jews, who were the tormented at that time. Sing even more loudly, then, so we don't hear the cries of the Palestinians - including Palestinian Christians.
For anyone who thinks that this is what believers are called to support, read Romans beginning with 9:6. No, Gentile believers are not to be arrogant to the Jews. God has a plan for them and we stand in awe of that plan (which is where I disagree with Chuck Baldwin). But read the words: "For they are not all Israel who are descended from Israel." We do not have a blanket mandate to support the political ambitions of Jews who, as a nation, have turned their backs on God and their Messiah. We preach the gospel, we offer charity, we do not stand for the slaughter of the innocent of other nations. Can anybody understand that? Because those who are not Christians certainly can, and they are correct in their indictment of what Christian Zionism has become, and those indictments drop into my inbox every single day.
There are no testaments in the Bible. Not an old one, not a new one. That is a mistranslation from the Greek into Latin, which was carried over into other languages including English. The word is brit (Hebrew), translated in the Septuagint as diatheke (Greek), and incorrectly translated into Latin as testamentum, which error was then perpetuated in many other languages. The most correct English word would be covenant. The new covenant is found in Tanach, in Jeremiah 31:31-34
To follow the continuous, seamless revelation, many words mistranslated into English from the Jewish Greek writings (via Latin) need to be corrected. What was prophesied in Tanach was a Messiah, so it is a Messiah that will fulfill those prophesies, not an appropriated Greek word that is then transliterated into English. (More on this below.)
There is no “church” in the Bible. There is no word that the Greeks or Hebrews had that could be translated as “church.” From the Septuagint translation, we can find how to translate many words in the Messianic Writings (incorrectly designated as the “New Testament”). The Hebrew words “kahal” and “edah” were translated into Greek as “sunagoge” and “ekklesia.” The Greeks knew nothing of “church.” Yeshua did not start something different. He did not start “the church.” He brought to fullness what was prophesied. A continuation, a fulfillment, of Tanach.
The Greek word “christos” meant smeared with oil, like a leather shield being smeared with oil to keep it supple. In the Septuagint, the word was appropriated to describe “anointed.” The Greeks had no word for Messiah and no concept for being anointed, so the translators chose a word that had some connection to what they were trying to describe and represent. The word they selected stood in to represent the Hebrew biblical concept the best they could find in a language and culture that had no such idea. The Greek word was not intended to replace the original word or concept. Ideally, translators would go to the original, true word and translate from that, rather than re-translating from a language that didn’t truly represent the original. In other words, knowing that “christos” stood for “messiah” or “anointed one,” those translating into other languages should have translated from the original Hebrew/Jewish reality instead of transliterating a Greek word that had no inherent meaning.
There is also no word “Christian” in the Messianic Writings. The use of the Greek word “christos” to represent Messiah/anointed one was confusing to Greek speakers. The Greeks, trying to make sense of this word began calling the followers of Messiah, “chrestians,” thinking they must be followers of some man named Chrestus - a name they were familiar with. This is the conclusion that even Christian biblical scholars have come to. The word found 3 times in the Messianic Writings should be “chrestians.” It was a slur, and not something the followers of Yeshua called themselves. They were talmidim/learners/followers/disciples.
I highly recommend two books: The Separation of Church and Faith: Copernicus and the Jews (showing how Christianity deviates from the Scriptures) and Rabbi Akiba’s Messiah (showing how rabbinic Judaism deviates from the Scriptures), both by Daniel Gruber.
There are lots of people who claim to be Jews. British Israel. There is a group with a branch near me who claim to be the Twelve Tribes. There are many Christian groups who claim to be Israel. There are many groups that believe in “replacement theology” of one sort or another. In fact, after a recent post I made on an article, I was told by a Christian that when the Bible says “Israel” it means the church. Really??? Why didn’t God just say “church” then?
I don’t know much about Netanyahu and I have openly criticized his handling of covid, but names get passed down in interesting ways. Someone told me my name may come from a very different origin than I was told. I don’t know and I’m not going to get a genetic test and let them have my DNA sample on file. I had not heard that Netanyahu changed his last name. I guess it would have been changed by an ancestor because the three brothers have been Netanyahu’s ever since I have heard of them. I would hardly blame people for wanting to distance themselves from a culture that persecuted them.
Dr Lee Merritt and Mike Adam’s discussed the possibility that meteors will strike the earth in 2029 and wipe out a third of all life.
The geologist dr Douglas D Vogt published three books with 400 citations proving that earth will be destroyed by volcanos because the core overheats. I could not find anything to doubt his integrity. See Unveiling ‘Geological evidence for the 12,000 year Cycle of Climate Disasters’ on You Tube. He says it will happen 21 years from now in 2046.
There are 2 people with the same name, so look carefully.
I read somewhere that ‘for seven short years, Satan will be allowed to rule’,. Revelations 12 verses 7 to 12 describes a battle in Heaven and Satan fell to the earth. It does not say that he died, it says that ‘there was a place for him in Heaven no more’. I concluded that it means that this is the Domain of the Devil. The Globalists’ contempt for all that is good, confirms this.
I was reading Daniel verse when you mentioned it. Yes, have experienced same thing as if my thoughts were being read by tv or devices.Crazy times. This is heavy stuff. The only answer is Jesus Christ.
After 70 years within the Bible Belt Mentality I came to the conclusion that The Bible has been one of the best tools in The Toolbox of The Controllers!! Talk about mind control for centuries!! If you want a more complete version of Jesus' life here on Earth, check out The Urantia Book.
There is no 'giving up'. We have no control of this. It's all God and always has been. The Bible is just the story telling you how and what is to be. People think they can control any of this, it's too big.
The bible I know tells me we were created in his image and I as a good man refuse to go down without a fight. We are not pawns and we are not ready to become transhumans, we are flesh and blood and with the guidance of our savior will give the new world order a fight for the continuation of our species
I (of course, who am I.) don't think it makes it to trans-humanism. God won't let this go on much further. Satan is destroying Gods creation and he is not happy with that. Yes, Gods real believing will always listen to his guidance. But what I mean to clear up, we can do whatever (as these evil are doing) we feel we must do, but in the end, flailing and fighting against it is useless. It is not giving up. It is letting God do what God will do, as he is the only power on this planet.
On a side note from this, what is so wonderful about clinging to this earth? God says not to love this planet more than heaven. I am not afraid to die. Not going to escalate it just not going to love it more than heaven. It isn't giving up, it is giving over what we think we have control over. Which is a farce.
Many of us are longing for God’s will to be done on earth as it is done in heaven, as Yeshua advised his followers to pray. We don’t love this world - the sinfulness, the systems set up by evil men, the fallen state, the results of rebellion against God - but we know that Messiah will return to earth and will be king in Jerusalem, Israel. One day, God will make a new heaven and a new earth wherein will dwell righteousness. The new Jerusalem will come down to earth out of heaven. God will be there and there will be no need of the sun because God will be the light.
For more on this topic, see the chapter “Those Pearly Gates” in Copernicus and the Jews: The Separation of Church and Faith by Daniel Gruber.
Awesome conversation! I've been of the same opinion in the direction we are going. Very sad but the Bible does point to all this. My hope is entirely in Jesus Christ! Definitely not in man! My thoughts are as Paul, To live is Christ to die is gain. I win either way!
Amen, Sandi! "For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain." (Philippians 1:21)
Thanks to both of you. God bless.
Good to hear guests identifying we all need faith over fear.
Sometimes think bad news gets too much airplay even in independent media spaces.
Focus is key - just like fisherman Peter walking on water to Christ.
I think the war is total . But it is not drones. It is reproductive.
The emerging power intends to use the separation of sex and reproduction. The permanent infertility. The designed infertility and then, the pod or production if an all male slave force. Thus no competitive society emerges.
Ever.
In essence we are witnesses to the planned elimination of women. In language law spaces board rooms. It is hare to say it. Because that is the path.
And that is biblical.
In Dr John Coleman's book on the Tavistock Institute, he claims early on that a major early imperative for them was the degradation of women. That was the first step. Now we don't exist. The other day the UK Women's Pool Championship final featured two biological men playing against each other.
Sorry, but if it weren’t so ridiculous, that would be hilarious. :) They became “women” to beat women and now they’re playing against another man. Oh, the irony…. :)
I'm providing the URL for one of James Perloff's excellent posts, which just landed in my inbox:
https://jamesperloff.net/the-blood-of-gaza-cries-out/
He embeds clips from those who have seen what is going on in Gaza. I hope others will watch them.
My point is this:
It is not the question of the mechanics of eschatology that should be foremost in our minds, as though we are putting the pieces of a jigsaw puzzle together, as though we are waiting for the denouement of some soap opera, always looking for the next event to reconfirm that the time is near. It is. In the past, others have distorted the Bible to make it look as though the events of their time proved that the end had arrived, but they did it for political purposes (the Reformation) or to sell books (the past few decades). Their distortion of Scripture should have been obvious.
As Christians, it is always the character of the kingdom of God, overcoming evil with good, that should be our greatest concern. Beyond that, what has been written is to sustain us, when it looks as though God has abandoned His people to the point of death. (By the way, we are preserved from the WRATH of God, not from tribulation, and a simple word study will show that the 3-1/2 years (not seven) of "the great tribulation" is completely distinct from what is described as the WRATH of God, which follows this great tribulation. The sequence of events, with a pre-wrath rapture, not a pre-trib rapture, are easily demonstrated by beginning with Thessalonians and carefully studying the gospels alongside. The other argument frequently used by pre-tribbers - that the event will surprise everyone, is also easily refuted with a simple study. Sorry I don’t have the citations at hand at the moment, but people should do their own studies anyway.
Anyone who is examining the question of end-times matters should reel at the descriptions that James Perloff (and so many others) have given us. Our conscience, our humanity, should be troubled, if we say "God stands behind Israel" in this manner, in this context. God WILL FULFILL HIS PROMISES TO ISRAEL. Israel has not been replaced by the church, as I believe Chuck Baldwin teaches - something clear from Romans. To deny this is a greater intellectual theft of what is rightfully theirs than to denounce what they are doing to those around them in the Middle East.
Gentiles are not to sneer at the Jews with a sense of superiority, because we are the ones grafted in. From them are the prophets, and the preservation of the Scriptures. They are entitled to due honor for this. But that does not mean God stands behind Israel in the way those words suggest here, that we are to act as though we are simply watching an errant child throw a fit. No, I would not take military action against Israel, but as a member of the kingdom of God I would not align myself with military action against any nation. I would not argue against providing humanitarian aid for injured Israelis, including their soldiers, any more than I would argue against assistance to anyone who is suffering, in peace, or in war. What Israel needs, what those who love Israel hope to see, is their recognition of their Messiah - but only God can accomplish that, and has told us how it will happen. That is His work to do. Ours, in the meantime, is to be peacemakers, to defend widows and orphans. That is the real message of Scripture - not "stand with Israel" in a politicized distortion of what they Bible teaches, as they destroy their neighbors to get land by human effort. This should not be difficult to see.
There is a very serious moral issue with the idea that God would build His promises of Israel's return on the slaughter of women and children in Gaza. It makes the God of the Bible look like a monster, on par with the gods of so many false religions. That is what should bother us. That is what should cause us, if not to arrive at immediate answers, to search for better answers than a pre-trib rapture and the error that it is our job to "stand" behind Israel. That is why I said, previously, that THIS is not the fulfillment of God's promise of the ingathering of Israel. When the antichrist sits in the temple, declaring himself to be God, Israel will suffer though this greatest of tribulations, and the then-remnant WILL BE DISPERSED AS SLAVES into the nations (per Scripture). It is from THAT dispersion that they return, so that our God does not lay the foundation of Israel returning to their land on the slaughter of innocents. The return to Israel of recent history is a secular fake of the real thing, and we should not be fooled into supporting Israel politically in this. We are not called to be political, but to proclaim the gospel.
Even if someone does not have the time for a detailed analysis of Bible prophecy, we all can, and all should, be able to discern that something is wrong with what is going on - that it is an extreme affront to the character of our God. This is something not lost on critics of Christianity who find this to be nothing more than another stumbling block, in a world that is already hostile to our beliefs. We prove ourselves to be men and women of lesser conscience than our non-Christian peers when we take this position. What are we to say to our detractors - that it's their problem because their humanitarian concerns will simply cause them to be the ones "left behind?" The entire paradigm needs to be reworked, so that it can follow what Scripture actually teaches, because we serve a God who is both merciful and just to ALL humankind. Fortunately, if we start with the character of God, Scripture will provide us with a satisfactory solution to these questions of where everything is headed.
This was a really good conversation. Some thoughts I jotted down along the way…
I DO live in the woods and try to be self-sufficient. It is impossible. I can’t earn money without working for people. To do that, I need transportation which means I need a vehicle, gas, mechanic, car parts… and the money to get them. I have thought this through and realized that if they were to implement a non-cash payment system, I could hold out for a while, but in my state, if you don’t pay your property taxes for 3 years, the town can confiscate your land/house. That means that all my tools and supplies and gardens and woods (for harvesting wood for my wood stove to cook and heat) could be taken away, with me thrown out with nothing. They have us over a barrel where they can eventually pin us into a corner, assuming they don’t just ship us all to FEMA camps.
As far as those of us who don’t believe in viruses or germ theory, we do believe there are poisons that can make people sick. There are also nutritional deficiencies that cause trouble in a world where much of what is sold and consumed as food is really NOT food. Similar to scurvy, which was thought to be contagious as one sailor after another would “catch” it, there are likely other vitamin, mineral, and nutrient deficiencies whose dots have not yet been connected. There is a lot of information available to those willing to look at it. Vitamin A deficiencies make people susceptible to various “diseases.” Check out the Weston A. Price Foundation.
I recently heard a very interesting podcast by One for Israel regarding the second coming of the Messiah. It took quite a search, but I finally found it again: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Tlm5bS8DAjE&pp=ygUhT25lIGZvciBpc3JhZWwgcG9kY2FzdCB5b20gdGVydWFo
As far as Israel - read Dave Hunt. The Berean Call website.
How would a person give advice to someone they know in a situation where their neighbors were trying to kill their children by throwing firecrackers at them, ramming them with their 4 wheelers, putting explosives in their car, taking their family members as hostages and killing some and demanding they vacate their house, etc.? I am not a fan of Netanyahu. Nor do I believe that Israel is a righteous nation. But I believe God has chosen Israel, that He has made promises to Israel, and that He will fulfill those promises. God will correct Israel and punish Israel for her disobedience, but that is up to Him. He also tells us that He will bless those who bless Israel and curse those who curse Israel.
As far as defending against physical aggression, I don’t see what else Israel can do. Do people realize Israel is surrounded by people who want to completely destroy her? How many Muslim nations are there? What is their geographical size compared to the one Jewish nation? How many of these countries have actively launched attacks against Israel in the past 18 months (to say nothing of the past 77 years)? How many have assisted or facilitated attacks against Israel? As it has often been said, if the terrorists were to lay down their weapons, there would be peace. If israel were to lay down her weapons, there would be no more Jews/israel. “Traveling Israel” is a really good source of information - historical and otherwise - about Israel on YouTube.
The fact is that Israel (and possibly the world) will fall for a false messiah (a better translation than “anti-christ”). Israel as a whole is still not bowing to Yeshua the Messiah. But Israel is still God’s people. The land is still God’s land that He designated for Abraham’s descendants. One day, Israel will have all the land God promised to Abraham - from the river to the river.
What I hate to see is devotion to Jesus Christ, as our Lord and Savior, hijacked by the pre-trib Christian Zionist movement.
The history of the pre-trib fraud has been adequately documented, both respect to the actors and the events that led to this poisonous doctrine, which has gotten thoroughly entrenched among evangelicals. At this point, everyone should be aware of that history, because a person is not fully informed on this issue if they are not. But putting that aside, enough has been written in opposition to the pre-trib rapture, that it is now impossible to ignore the fact that it has been demonstrated to be unscriptural from the standpoint of solid hermeneutics. Certainly, one can say that it's just my opinion, but that, too, is such a loss, to see believers who have no idea how to determine what the Bible teaches, and what it does not. What the Bible teaches can be discerned, and false doctrine can be refuted. The Bible itself tells us that, and to pretend that we do not have this ability is to deny the Bible's own teachings. We have not been left in a state of confusion, where each person's opinion is as good as that of another - we have absolute truth, and mature Christians, those who teach, should be able to see when deception has crept in.
Doctrinal mistakes have consequences. The first consequence is that the pre-trib rapture makes Christians look like what they really want is a get-out-of-jail free card. Those who have endured suffering on this earth, especially Christians who are tortured and killed for their faith, are entitled to look at this belief as shallow escapism, and a failure to come to terms with the fact that we are called to endure. Instead of preparing ourselves, when time is so short, for the demands of faith, we are expecting to be given a pass. What happens, then, when the rapture fails to take place as scheduled? Will faith dissolve when believers remain on earth and are overcome by the antichrist, as prophesied in Daniel?
The pre-trib position is based on a conceptual paradigm that is not found in the Bible. We are told by the pre-trib camp that God does not deal with Christians and Jews in the same dispensation. But what of the early Christian church, when, for forty years following the death of Christ, both Christians and Jews lived in a transition period that was fraught with issues, and not resolved until the destruction of the temple in 70 AD? Read Romans - Paul's speech to the believers, with the unbelieving Jews reading over the shoulder of the recipients of that letter. Paul's words say it all. Read Galatians to observe the extreme, treacherous entanglement of Jews and Christians. Without this false conceptual background, of hyper-dispensationalism, the pre-trib rapture theory rests on nothing more than reading into verses something that isn't there at all. A "secret" rapture takes place much as Gnostics use the Bible to find "secret" doctrines hidden between the lines. There is no secret. We cannot make a single, visible return of Christ and turn it into a double. There is no way to reconcile all of the prophetic verses of the Old and New Testaments, without distorting them, to arrive at a pre-trib rapture. I have never seen it.
The pre-trib rapture doctrine is not without its purpose - it enables believers to be aggressive about advocating disaster in the Middle East. "I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you" is often cited as justification, as is the idea that the Jews are entitled to their land. Show me anything in the Bible, either Testament, that says the land is to be taken by human effort, that we are given the authority to decide who will experience God's wrath at the hands of a secular Jewish nation. No, the promises are delivered exclusively by the hand of God, who tells us there will be a faithful remnant, in the end. That is why the final dispersion of the Jews is still in the future - because God won't rely on the work done by man - Jew or Gentile - to give them "their land." But that is all that has happened so far.
We are not called to be political, and certainly not to support war. We are to be peacemakers because the methods of God will not be circumvented. Any effort to enforce the right of the Jews to their land by human hands is building on sand.
And, by the way, the rest of that verse in Genesis 12:3 says "and in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed." Is that what is happening through secular Israel today? All the nations are blessed? Ask those who live in Gaza, in the West Bank, in Lebanon, and in Syria, as we wait to see what will happen with Iran. Has anyone here seen the images? Read the reports of unbiased witnesses? You call this a blessing?
God divorced (the ten tribes of) Israel in Hosea. Was He unaware of His own command that He must always bless the Jews? Read Matthew 3:7-9. Where is this unconditional support that we are supposed to provide as we stand behind Israel? Did someone forget to tell Jesus Christ to speak to the Pharisees with due respect? Does anybody read what is taking place in Gaza? Believers turn their backs on the unspeakable horrors because of a misreading of their Bibles, a misreading of Abraham's blessing, claimed falsely by secular Jews, and ignoring the clearly stated call to be peacemakers - and not peace through war. Believers are hanging onto their crosses while innocents are shot. It reminds me of those who sung their hymns all the more loudly in Germany, to drown out the screams of the Jews, who were the tormented at that time. Sing even more loudly, then, so we don't hear the cries of the Palestinians - including Palestinian Christians.
For anyone who thinks that this is what believers are called to support, read Romans beginning with 9:6. No, Gentile believers are not to be arrogant to the Jews. God has a plan for them and we stand in awe of that plan (which is where I disagree with Chuck Baldwin). But read the words: "For they are not all Israel who are descended from Israel." We do not have a blanket mandate to support the political ambitions of Jews who, as a nation, have turned their backs on God and their Messiah. We preach the gospel, we offer charity, we do not stand for the slaughter of the innocent of other nations. Can anybody understand that? Because those who are not Christians certainly can, and they are correct in their indictment of what Christian Zionism has become, and those indictments drop into my inbox every single day.
There are no testaments in the Bible. Not an old one, not a new one. That is a mistranslation from the Greek into Latin, which was carried over into other languages including English. The word is brit (Hebrew), translated in the Septuagint as diatheke (Greek), and incorrectly translated into Latin as testamentum, which error was then perpetuated in many other languages. The most correct English word would be covenant. The new covenant is found in Tanach, in Jeremiah 31:31-34
To follow the continuous, seamless revelation, many words mistranslated into English from the Jewish Greek writings (via Latin) need to be corrected. What was prophesied in Tanach was a Messiah, so it is a Messiah that will fulfill those prophesies, not an appropriated Greek word that is then transliterated into English. (More on this below.)
There is no “church” in the Bible. There is no word that the Greeks or Hebrews had that could be translated as “church.” From the Septuagint translation, we can find how to translate many words in the Messianic Writings (incorrectly designated as the “New Testament”). The Hebrew words “kahal” and “edah” were translated into Greek as “sunagoge” and “ekklesia.” The Greeks knew nothing of “church.” Yeshua did not start something different. He did not start “the church.” He brought to fullness what was prophesied. A continuation, a fulfillment, of Tanach.
The Greek word “christos” meant smeared with oil, like a leather shield being smeared with oil to keep it supple. In the Septuagint, the word was appropriated to describe “anointed.” The Greeks had no word for Messiah and no concept for being anointed, so the translators chose a word that had some connection to what they were trying to describe and represent. The word they selected stood in to represent the Hebrew biblical concept the best they could find in a language and culture that had no such idea. The Greek word was not intended to replace the original word or concept. Ideally, translators would go to the original, true word and translate from that, rather than re-translating from a language that didn’t truly represent the original. In other words, knowing that “christos” stood for “messiah” or “anointed one,” those translating into other languages should have translated from the original Hebrew/Jewish reality instead of transliterating a Greek word that had no inherent meaning.
There is also no word “Christian” in the Messianic Writings. The use of the Greek word “christos” to represent Messiah/anointed one was confusing to Greek speakers. The Greeks, trying to make sense of this word began calling the followers of Messiah, “chrestians,” thinking they must be followers of some man named Chrestus - a name they were familiar with. This is the conclusion that even Christian biblical scholars have come to. The word found 3 times in the Messianic Writings should be “chrestians.” It was a slur, and not something the followers of Yeshua called themselves. They were talmidim/learners/followers/disciples.
I highly recommend two books: The Separation of Church and Faith: Copernicus and the Jews (showing how Christianity deviates from the Scriptures) and Rabbi Akiba’s Messiah (showing how rabbinic Judaism deviates from the Scriptures), both by Daniel Gruber.
Jesus had a running battle with ‘those who say they are Jews, but are not’. Netanyahu is Polish whose surname is Mileikowski.
There are lots of people who claim to be Jews. British Israel. There is a group with a branch near me who claim to be the Twelve Tribes. There are many Christian groups who claim to be Israel. There are many groups that believe in “replacement theology” of one sort or another. In fact, after a recent post I made on an article, I was told by a Christian that when the Bible says “Israel” it means the church. Really??? Why didn’t God just say “church” then?
I don’t know much about Netanyahu and I have openly criticized his handling of covid, but names get passed down in interesting ways. Someone told me my name may come from a very different origin than I was told. I don’t know and I’m not going to get a genetic test and let them have my DNA sample on file. I had not heard that Netanyahu changed his last name. I guess it would have been changed by an ancestor because the three brothers have been Netanyahu’s ever since I have heard of them. I would hardly blame people for wanting to distance themselves from a culture that persecuted them.
Dr Lee Merritt and Mike Adam’s discussed the possibility that meteors will strike the earth in 2029 and wipe out a third of all life.
The geologist dr Douglas D Vogt published three books with 400 citations proving that earth will be destroyed by volcanos because the core overheats. I could not find anything to doubt his integrity. See Unveiling ‘Geological evidence for the 12,000 year Cycle of Climate Disasters’ on You Tube. He says it will happen 21 years from now in 2046.
There are 2 people with the same name, so look carefully.
I believe most people are good people and societies will thrive if those who claim descendancy from the gods will return to their ancestors
I read somewhere that ‘for seven short years, Satan will be allowed to rule’,. Revelations 12 verses 7 to 12 describes a battle in Heaven and Satan fell to the earth. It does not say that he died, it says that ‘there was a place for him in Heaven no more’. I concluded that it means that this is the Domain of the Devil. The Globalists’ contempt for all that is good, confirms this.
I was reading Daniel verse when you mentioned it. Yes, have experienced same thing as if my thoughts were being read by tv or devices.Crazy times. This is heavy stuff. The only answer is Jesus Christ.
After 70 years within the Bible Belt Mentality I came to the conclusion that The Bible has been one of the best tools in The Toolbox of The Controllers!! Talk about mind control for centuries!! If you want a more complete version of Jesus' life here on Earth, check out The Urantia Book.
So just give up?
There is no 'giving up'. We have no control of this. It's all God and always has been. The Bible is just the story telling you how and what is to be. People think they can control any of this, it's too big.
The bible I know tells me we were created in his image and I as a good man refuse to go down without a fight. We are not pawns and we are not ready to become transhumans, we are flesh and blood and with the guidance of our savior will give the new world order a fight for the continuation of our species
I (of course, who am I.) don't think it makes it to trans-humanism. God won't let this go on much further. Satan is destroying Gods creation and he is not happy with that. Yes, Gods real believing will always listen to his guidance. But what I mean to clear up, we can do whatever (as these evil are doing) we feel we must do, but in the end, flailing and fighting against it is useless. It is not giving up. It is letting God do what God will do, as he is the only power on this planet.
On a side note from this, what is so wonderful about clinging to this earth? God says not to love this planet more than heaven. I am not afraid to die. Not going to escalate it just not going to love it more than heaven. It isn't giving up, it is giving over what we think we have control over. Which is a farce.
Peace and God be with us all, Amen.
Amen!
Many of us are longing for God’s will to be done on earth as it is done in heaven, as Yeshua advised his followers to pray. We don’t love this world - the sinfulness, the systems set up by evil men, the fallen state, the results of rebellion against God - but we know that Messiah will return to earth and will be king in Jerusalem, Israel. One day, God will make a new heaven and a new earth wherein will dwell righteousness. The new Jerusalem will come down to earth out of heaven. God will be there and there will be no need of the sun because God will be the light.
For more on this topic, see the chapter “Those Pearly Gates” in Copernicus and the Jews: The Separation of Church and Faith by Daniel Gruber.
HAHAHAHAHA, you are so delusional. Carry on.