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Great, if depressing, discussion, as always. It is astounding for me to realize, really realize, that the Frankfurt Marxist School view of the human condition, and American culture, has essentially replaced Christianity as the undergirding mythology of America. I think Allan Bloom's (whatever his problems) criticism of the nihilistic influence of philosophers like Herbert Marcuse (his ultimately destructive impact on liberty with his embrace of "intolerance" toward "the right") is spot on. The intolerance toward conservative and traditional notions of America has progressed much further since "Closing of the American Mind" was published in the late 1980s. At that time, I was young and mistakenly embraced many of the neo-Marxist ideologies pushed on me in the university setting. (Alt rock and punk were essentially my religion at the time.). But even then, in the late 1980s, mainstream American culture was not beset by this damaging nihilistic ideology, as it was still relegated mostly to college campuses. Now, it is everywhere, the dominant mythology of America, and the West. And we can see the result: collapse and disorder.

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Monica Perez's avatar

i dont know anything about Foucault but I've heard his influence was the turning point in the 80s...Guido Preparata discusses that 80s worm-turn in Ideology of Tyranny...reading your comment makes me wonder if this kind of Godlessness can't really last because it's so contrary to human nature...they tried in the USSR and it didn't work...as Hrvoje would say, "Thoughts?"

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Chris's avatar

Thanks for the interaction, Monica. I always enjoy listening to your thoughts and insights, be they with Hvorje and Mike, Weezy, Courtney Turner, the Propaganda Report, and wherever else you have appeared.

Foucault and Derrida (and elevation of post-modern philosophy above the traditional western cannon in general) were/was all the rage when I was at UCSD in the mid-late 1980s, though I don't think many students deeply read, or understood, the potential damaging long-term cultural impacts of such philosophers. In the Reagan Era, I believe traditional American hegemony seemed overwhelming and eternal, especially to those on the "far left" and such philosophies were a way to protest the excesses of such hegemony, but absent any deep contemplation of long-term impacts. For me, a relatively poor, angry, fatherless lower middle class kid (with slightly conservative leanings of which I was deeply ashamed due to the lack of support in my own family) amongst a sea of wealthy children of elites in the UC system (I look back and realize I was completely out of place), it would have been difficult to see the entire neo-Marxist/postmodern thing as anything beyond a rebellion against "the man" (a continuation of the Marcuse-inspired 1960s contra Reagan and military-industrial complex) and the bland excesses of the Baby Boomer consumerist Yuppie Reagan Era. Many of the children of the wealthy elites at UCSD no doubt saw it that way too, I'm sure. However, they also had an (seeming) economic and familial support system that allowed them to play with such ideas without real consequence in their lives. As to such a nihilistic philosophy not working long-term, I myself am feeling increasingly Christian Apocalyptic (like Hvorje, I think) and economically Apocalyptic (like Mike and Hvorje and you, I think), as if everything being done is a long-term engineered chaos with an engineered collapse endgame.

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Stephan Rinbaum's avatar

Regarding the "1984" v "Brave New World" argument, I still see "Demolition Man" - everything is ultra-clean and everyone is terminally happy by law. The government is a small circle of elites that dress in clerical robes and the leader wears a mitre. Another pop culture reference would be the 7th season of "Charmed", where the witches fight a group called "the Acolytes" who promise to bring about a world without any strife at all.

To me, if we were to live in a world without any pain or evil at all, the Lord's Prayer would be rendered useless. In the words of Jesus, we are to pray to be DELIVERED FROM evil, not for the total extermination of evil. No matter how wonderful things may seem - Brave New World, Demolition Man world, "Acolytes" world - evil exists and in fact is even more powerful there as it is hidden in everything one sees, touches, tastes, hears and smells. We can't pray for delivery from the evil that we do not perceive.

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Different Drummer's avatar

Great discussion thanks for all your work!

A lefty against multipolarism, pre-crime and globalists…

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The Word Herder's avatar

And that “legal certainty” will be stomped when the People finally get up and take back what is RIGHTFULLY OURS.

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Cindy Burton's avatar

Wow. Totally ignored the stuff from Ben Davidson. Cold coming? Really?

Wow. Amazing how no one will talk about this. Disappointing.

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Parallel Mike's avatar

I had Ben on my show just before Christmas. I am more aligned with Valentina's take, but have spoken to and enjoy the work of both.

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Cindy Burton's avatar

Enjoy. Not a word I'd associate with that stuff. I'm curious, what do you see as the weakness in Ben's theories? If he is correct, than that is obviously the greatest challenge we face. Is he an op? No one seems to want to discuss his stuff. Why is that?

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Parallel Mike's avatar

Both could be correct because it's all based in natural cycles. But the solar cycle is more predictable and the GSM is something I think we can confirm is now an imminent threat. The pole shift or a kill shot solar flare are also possible but hard to time and there is little you can do to prepare for cataclysm on an individual level other than make peace with God.

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the lilac dragonfly's avatar

I’m posting this here because it’s the most recent post, but it has to do with the recurring topic of Israel. Hrvoje, I think you would find it very interesting. You might even get a guest idea from it. Nate would be a really good person for you to have on your show.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oL8f4gIVegE

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DawnieR's avatar

Just an FYI......

*** FALSE FLAG ALERT ***

This is a MUST WATCH!!

One of MY FAVORITE people on this planet......

DR. DAVID E. MARTIN

On Day 2 of the......'THE SKY IS FALLING......THE SKY IS FALLING......DEADLY VIRUS!', from the FAKE news outlets, I KNEW that it was all BULLSHIT!

So, I went 'searching'! And WITHIN 30 MINUTES, I find Dr. Martin, and the video he had done.

In that video, it CONFIRMED what I already knew.....that this was a FALSE FLAG PsyOp!

There WAS a 'CV19' Bio-weapon, but it ONLY amounted to a cold or flu-like symptoms.

And the REAL BIO-WEAPON......was yet to come.......the 'VACCINES'!!

And NOW?.....'THEY' are going to do the SAME thing; but WORSE!

AND.....'who' is the SAME individual that will 'oversee' THIS False Flag PsyOp, JUST AS THE LAST ONE?.......

TRAITOR Trump!!!

MORE Americans MURDERED......BECAUSE OF TRUMP!

🚨 Plandemic 2.0: The July 4th Bioterror Plot & Palantir’s Master Plan w/ Dr. David Martin

https://maninamerica.substack.com/p/plandemic-20-the-july-4th-bioterror?publication_id=1040302&post_id=165221529&isFreemail=true&r=19j00e&triedRedirect=true&utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

We CAN PREVENT this from happening!!

CALL or WRITE (and Social Media) the CRIMINALS in the White House......

and let 'THEM' know that WE KNOW what they are about to do!!

https://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/

And DO reference their PsyOp.....BY NAME.......

'The National Blueprint for Biodefense ~ Immediate Action Needed to Defend Against Biological Threats ~ Report of the Bipartisan Commission on Biodefense APRIL 2024'

NOW is the time that HUMANS can ACTUALLY DO something!

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DawnieR's avatar

Yeah.....the TRUMP CULT!......

The longer these USEFUL IDIOTS (aka ZOMBIES) FAIL to come to grips with REALITY, the longer their MENTAL ILLNESS shines bright! They've lost ALL credibility; they have extremely POOR JUDGEMENT; and once you have poor judgement, one CANNOT be trusted!

(Thou SHALL JUDGE......EVERY ONE and EVERY THING.....a million times a day! THIS is how one acquires 'GOOD JUDGEMENT'.....and with good judgement comes TRUST! Those who tell you "DON'T JUDGE!".....have something to HIDE that they don't want you to look at/see!)

It's hysterical when the Trump Cult calls the LibTards DELUSIONAL (aka a Mental Illness).....when they have the EXACT SAME MENTAL ILLNESS!

I'm ANGRY that Alex Jones 'Went Over To The Dark Side'!!

Alex WAS one of my 'heroes'; having 'Red Pilled' me 30+ years ago.

But those with CLEAR THINKING (aka Good Judgement) can clearly SEE that 'THEY' got to him!

I think that it was the Sandy Hook bullshit that turned him; Alex 'made a deal'!!

Also a FORMER 'Trump Supporter'!

I jumped OFF the 'Trump Train' as it was hurling, WARP SPEED (pun INTENDED), down the tracks of the 'CV19' PsyOp, and then came the Bio-weapon Injections!

If individuals could NOT SEE that (TRAITOR) Trump was NOT 'on their side' because HE went along with the PsyOp AND the DEATH JABS.......you're already 'The Walking Dead' (aka Zombies)!

He SHOWED US ALL 'who' and 'what' he was......a DEMON Puppet of his Globalist MASTERS!

What HE DID.....what HE ALLOWED to happen.......PURE EVIL!

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