Etienne de la Boetie² of the Art of Liberty Foundation, Anton Bueckert of Nevermore Media, and Paul Cudenec of Winter Oak discuss the potential overlap of anarchism and voluntaryism as forms of resistance against the criminocratic, oligarchic, and kleptocratic globalist tyranny we all now face!
Liberty on the Rocks - Sedona - The Voluntaryism Conference is Nov 1st-3rd. Streaming Globally on Nov 2nd from 9:00 AM PST - 5:00 PM PST. The virtual tickets includes a free copy of my upcoming book: Voluntaryism - How the Only "ISM" Fair For Everyone Leads to Harmony, Prosperity and Good Karma for All! - https://sedona.artofliberty.org
Thank you, Hrvoje. I was pleasantly surprised to see this topic being discussed on GAE. It is not an easy or pleasant topic to traverse with most people, the conditioning for the antithesis being what it is (struggles already taking place in the comments). That being said, your pessimism, Hrvoje, is not unfounded. In my opinion, If any transition were to have an opportunity to take hold, it would take generations to unpack the conditioned expectations from any populous in order for our innate ability for spontaneous organizing to take place. Society is simply too sick, spiritually, mentally, and physically to resist the current system that has dictated our lives for many, many centuries. The rub is this, the current system did grant a very high level of human advancement and creativity of which we take for granted as 'normal', but, ultimately it is reductive and unfathomable in its cruelty. It is anti-human and disrespects all life that sustains our very existence, yet the belief system to uphold it seems embedded to the bone. I hope we get a chance to discuss it on the zoom call on Saturday.
But there was something a little off, to my sensibilities, about hiring private companies to do things like "protection". First of all, where do you get money from if it's not issued by a government and backed up by legal contracts and a police force? As Brett Scott points out on his Substack on money, even crypto is tied into and measured against state issued currency (namely dollars) via intermediary banking institutions... and besides, people dont really use it to buy things. Its basically a big online casino, not unlike the stock market. People "cash out" by exchanging their gains for fiat.
Ok, but saying you could still have liquid, fungible money without the state and without banks; obviously the people who have more money are going to have more power to pay for ""protections services". Aren't we back to square one?
Also Etienne--and I do like the guy, don't get me wrong--supposed that if we don't have a state we won't have corporations. How so?
The East and West India Companies were basically corporations with their own private armies, all basically owned by Anglo-Dutch banks. They were the quintessential corporations, heirs of Venice's corruption and subversive tactics, and direct ancestors of what we have today. But wasn't Venice BUILT ON the free enterprise of seamen and their commerce? How do you just get rid of such people anyway?
What I noticed nobody in the podcast mentioning is that alongside voluntarism and no rulers we need to form and foment new kinds and a new quality of ASSOCIATION that is not primarily based on profiteering. Even pirates, who know no allegiance to any country, can come up with a kind of egalitarian way of dividing booty, but that is no guarantee their aims a well intentioned. What about the more noble side of our constitutions (I mean our spiritual makeup, if you will).
In a society of crooks, especially one that is constantly bombarded by the mental perversions of successful crooks through the movie and television industry, where profiteering is seen to be healthy and normal, it is easy for people to compartmentalize business and spirituality: in business, ruthlessness is accepted, in associations with friends or neighbors it is not.
The only way I can see to overcome this tendency (which exists, but I propose has been unnaturally multiplied) would be to found institutions that are BASED ON our better natures. Institutions, organization, need not be hierarchal or nonvoluntary, as attested to in the institutions (customs and usages) of American Indians of the colonial period.
In fact, I contend that there is a basic nobility latent in the human breast. Our institutions often thwart and undermine it. They could do the opposite.
How so??? when the corruption and criminocracy are using "government" as the tool to rob and control the population! There wouldn't be a crooked monetary system without "government".. THere wouldn't be confiscatory taxation without "government"... There wouldn't have been "The Covid" without "government"
Stop misdirection / Corruption routine! Such is what the corruption uses!
Stop Corruption / Criminocracy from using 'Corrupt Government' vehicle!
Make IT Accountable instead!
You want to misdirect/get-rid-of-govt. but Not Corruption ...
You are selling corruption coddling via Misdirection / Collusion!
Selling that we can perhaps get rid of government, but Not 'corrupt government' / Mafia Organization by dispersing ourselves into Anarchy ... to make us more vulnerable, is misanthropic hypocrisy!
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The Corruption loves the anarchy/misdirection routine religion to keep us misdirected; on-our-knees via such nonsense in lieu of the Accountability / Accountable Government They Fear!
The Covid Tax FED Corruption Organized Crime Anarchy hopes/bets on your/ITs 'Anarchy' fetish to continue so IT wont be held Accountable !
Corruption Anarchy Entropy what is it good for? .... dehumanization
There is no accountability with "government"... It looks good on paper BUT it simply doesn't work... the Con-stitution failed to limit "government" at all.... The Bill of RIghts has failed to even safeguard the most basic of human rights as free speech zones, red flag laws, and airport/car searches demonstrate... We are taxed at over 50% of our income when you account for overt taxes, covert taxes and inflation... How bad does it have to get before you will acknowledge it doesn't work? It is also so easily hijacked by monied interests that counting on it to save you is laughable https://artofliberty.substack.com/p/why-and-how-you-should-help-your
The British Oligarchy have been the instigators of all of the death and destruction perpetrated upon humanity ever since the Venetian takeover of England with the in-Glorious Revolution of 1688!
I suspect that “Voluntaryism” is the brain fart of some evil reptilian at the British Royal Institute of International Affairs (Chatham House) where the minions of the British Imperialist Globalist Fascist Oligarchy devise their schemes for Global Empire and World Domination.
What better way for the imperialist fascists to dissolve the Westphalian nation-states and finally achieve their centuries-long quest for a world of open borders than to have “the people” spontaneously instigate a populist movement that demands “The Collapse of Governmental Society” and implementation of “voluntaryism” and global anarchy.
The imperial fascists already wrote the slogan for such a deceptive movement:
“BUILD BACK BETTER”
Instead, try learning about the movement that was the real existential threat to the imperialist fascists, a movement that results in personal Liberty, personal Rights, personal Prosperity, and personal Happiness:
Ummm. Maga "Constitutional Republicanism is the system that robbed the population from 2016-2020 of 1/2 their income in overt taxes, covert taxes and inflation... it is the system that tricked people into the jab... It did nothing about fractional reserve banking, confiscatory taxation, "vaccines", etc. "Government" IS THE SYSTEM THAT IS BEING USED TO ROB AND CONTROL YOU... Trump is OBVIOUSLY "In On It" https://artofliberty.substack.com/p/the-real-scam-of-trumps-indictment
Who is Donald Trump - really? Why did he release the vaccines for COVID-19 almost two years sooner than was planned? What is the reason behind the relentless attacks on his character, by the mainstream media? Here you wil find key secrets about Trump, that will open your eyes and give you an accurate understanding of the man and his actions.
Liberty on the Rocks - Sedona - The Voluntaryism Conference is Nov 1st-3rd. Streaming Globally on Nov 2nd from 9:00 AM PST - 5:00 PM PST. The virtual tickets includes a free copy of my upcoming book: Voluntaryism - How the Only "ISM" Fair For Everyone Leads to Harmony, Prosperity and Good Karma for All! - https://sedona.artofliberty.org
Thank you, Hrvoje. I was pleasantly surprised to see this topic being discussed on GAE. It is not an easy or pleasant topic to traverse with most people, the conditioning for the antithesis being what it is (struggles already taking place in the comments). That being said, your pessimism, Hrvoje, is not unfounded. In my opinion, If any transition were to have an opportunity to take hold, it would take generations to unpack the conditioned expectations from any populous in order for our innate ability for spontaneous organizing to take place. Society is simply too sick, spiritually, mentally, and physically to resist the current system that has dictated our lives for many, many centuries. The rub is this, the current system did grant a very high level of human advancement and creativity of which we take for granted as 'normal', but, ultimately it is reductive and unfathomable in its cruelty. It is anti-human and disrespects all life that sustains our very existence, yet the belief system to uphold it seems embedded to the bone. I hope we get a chance to discuss it on the zoom call on Saturday.
democracy, voting , turns a nation over to the bankers
“At the heart of Anarchist analysis, everything the government does is crime”.
Paul C
The only way out is the jubilee or flat out destroying the banking cartel. Voluntarism sounds good to me.
This was great podcast.
But there was something a little off, to my sensibilities, about hiring private companies to do things like "protection". First of all, where do you get money from if it's not issued by a government and backed up by legal contracts and a police force? As Brett Scott points out on his Substack on money, even crypto is tied into and measured against state issued currency (namely dollars) via intermediary banking institutions... and besides, people dont really use it to buy things. Its basically a big online casino, not unlike the stock market. People "cash out" by exchanging their gains for fiat.
Ok, but saying you could still have liquid, fungible money without the state and without banks; obviously the people who have more money are going to have more power to pay for ""protections services". Aren't we back to square one?
Also Etienne--and I do like the guy, don't get me wrong--supposed that if we don't have a state we won't have corporations. How so?
The East and West India Companies were basically corporations with their own private armies, all basically owned by Anglo-Dutch banks. They were the quintessential corporations, heirs of Venice's corruption and subversive tactics, and direct ancestors of what we have today. But wasn't Venice BUILT ON the free enterprise of seamen and their commerce? How do you just get rid of such people anyway?
What I noticed nobody in the podcast mentioning is that alongside voluntarism and no rulers we need to form and foment new kinds and a new quality of ASSOCIATION that is not primarily based on profiteering. Even pirates, who know no allegiance to any country, can come up with a kind of egalitarian way of dividing booty, but that is no guarantee their aims a well intentioned. What about the more noble side of our constitutions (I mean our spiritual makeup, if you will).
In a society of crooks, especially one that is constantly bombarded by the mental perversions of successful crooks through the movie and television industry, where profiteering is seen to be healthy and normal, it is easy for people to compartmentalize business and spirituality: in business, ruthlessness is accepted, in associations with friends or neighbors it is not.
The only way I can see to overcome this tendency (which exists, but I propose has been unnaturally multiplied) would be to found institutions that are BASED ON our better natures. Institutions, organization, need not be hierarchal or nonvoluntary, as attested to in the institutions (customs and usages) of American Indians of the colonial period.
In fact, I contend that there is a basic nobility latent in the human breast. Our institutions often thwart and undermine it. They could do the opposite.
Calling for Anarchy in lieu of Accountability; Aids The Corruption / Criminocracy!
How so??? when the corruption and criminocracy are using "government" as the tool to rob and control the population! There wouldn't be a crooked monetary system without "government".. THere wouldn't be confiscatory taxation without "government"... There wouldn't have been "The Covid" without "government"
Stop misdirection / Corruption routine! Such is what the corruption uses!
Stop Corruption / Criminocracy from using 'Corrupt Government' vehicle!
Make IT Accountable instead!
You want to misdirect/get-rid-of-govt. but Not Corruption ...
You are selling corruption coddling via Misdirection / Collusion!
Selling that we can perhaps get rid of government, but Not 'corrupt government' / Mafia Organization by dispersing ourselves into Anarchy ... to make us more vulnerable, is misanthropic hypocrisy!
-
The Corruption loves the anarchy/misdirection routine religion to keep us misdirected; on-our-knees via such nonsense in lieu of the Accountability / Accountable Government They Fear!
The Covid Tax FED Corruption Organized Crime Anarchy hopes/bets on your/ITs 'Anarchy' fetish to continue so IT wont be held Accountable !
Corruption Anarchy Entropy what is it good for? .... dehumanization
Q;o)
Accountability VS Corruption!
There is no accountability with "government"... It looks good on paper BUT it simply doesn't work... the Con-stitution failed to limit "government" at all.... The Bill of RIghts has failed to even safeguard the most basic of human rights as free speech zones, red flag laws, and airport/car searches demonstrate... We are taxed at over 50% of our income when you account for overt taxes, covert taxes and inflation... How bad does it have to get before you will acknowledge it doesn't work? It is also so easily hijacked by monied interests that counting on it to save you is laughable https://artofliberty.substack.com/p/why-and-how-you-should-help-your
Hi,
I agree, IT doesn't work due to lack of accountability.
Hence need for actual Accountability.
Not a laughing matter ;-)
Actual Accountability will no doubt shrink the govt. greatly.
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btw, please share example of Anarchy 'functioning' / replacing govt. historically?
The Birth of the Sovereign Nation-State
From the Council of Florence To the Discovery of America
How the Platonic-Christian revolution of the Fifteenth century created the modern world
by William F. Wertz, Jr.
https://archive.schillerinstitute.com/fidelio_archive/1999/fidv08n04-1999Wi/fidv08n04-1999Wi_004-the_birth_of_the_sovereign_natio.pdf
https://archive.schillerinstitute.com/fidelio_archive/1999/fidv08n04-1999Wi/index.html
The British Oligarchy have been the instigators of all of the death and destruction perpetrated upon humanity ever since the Venetian takeover of England with the in-Glorious Revolution of 1688!
Venice’s War on Western Civilization
https://archive.schillerinstitute.com/fid_91-96/952_venice.html
Birth of the Nation State
https://archive.schillerinstitute.com/fidelio_archive/2001/fidv10n02-2001Su/fidv10n02-2001Su_014-nicolaus_of_cusa_towering_genius-hzl.pdf
The Venetian Takeover of England:
A 200-Year Project
https://larouchepub.com/eiw/public/1994/eirv21n16-19940415/eirv21n16-19940415_015-the_venetian_takeover_of_england.pdf
The British Oligarchy’s Fourth War on America
https://open.substack.com/pub/william3n4z2/p/the-british-oligarchys-fourth-war?r=1kb28q&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
How the British Invented Globalism
Modern globalism was born in Victorian England. The plan was to merge the British Empire and the United States into a single superstate.
https://open.substack.com/pub/richardpoe/p/how-the-british-invented-globalism?r=1kb28q&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
How the British Sold Globalism to America
The Secret History of the Council on Foreign Relations and the Anglo-American Empire
https://open.substack.com/pub/richardpoe/p/how-the-british-sold-globalism-to?r=1kb28q&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
How the British Caused the American Civil War
Britain’s Scheme to Partition and Recolonize America in the 1860s
https://open.substack.com/pub/richardpoe/p/how-the-british-caused-the-american?r=1kb28q&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
The Anglo-American Pilgrims Society (1902)
https://open.substack.com/pub/william3n4z2/p/the-anglo-american-pilgrims-society?r=1kb28q&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
How the British Invented Communism (and blamed it on the Jews)
https://open.substack.com/pub/richardpoe/p/how-the-british-invented-communism?r=1kb28q&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
To “Rescue the Republic” you must first know who actually is the enemy of the Republic.
Nationalism/Republicanism/Capitalism/Platonism
- Vs. -
Globalism/Oligarchism/Imperialism/Aristotelianism
The enemy of humanity has always been the British Imperialist Globalist Fascist Oligarchy headquartered in the City of London.
The first step on the path to defeating the British Oligarchy is to teach people the history of their mortal enemy.
Who Are the Globalist Fascist Oligarchy?
https://open.substack.com/pub/william3n4z2/p/who-are-the-globalist-fascist-oligarchy?r=1kb28q&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
A Long History of British Machinations to Control the Content and Dissemination of News & Information
(Remember: Before Google, everyone used the Encyclopedia Britannica)
https://americans4innovation.blogspot.com/2019/09/the-secret-plot-in-1909-by-anglo.html
https://aim4truth.org/2019/09/13/origins-of-fake-news/
https://open.substack.com/pub/william3n4z2/p/a-long-history-of-british-machinations?r=1kb28q&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
William Pritting’s Substack:
https://william3n4z2.substack.com/archive?sort=new
Richard Poe’s Substack:
https://richardpoe.substack.com/
I suspect that “Voluntaryism” is the brain fart of some evil reptilian at the British Royal Institute of International Affairs (Chatham House) where the minions of the British Imperialist Globalist Fascist Oligarchy devise their schemes for Global Empire and World Domination.
What better way for the imperialist fascists to dissolve the Westphalian nation-states and finally achieve their centuries-long quest for a world of open borders than to have “the people” spontaneously instigate a populist movement that demands “The Collapse of Governmental Society” and implementation of “voluntaryism” and global anarchy.
The imperial fascists already wrote the slogan for such a deceptive movement:
“BUILD BACK BETTER”
Instead, try learning about the movement that was the real existential threat to the imperialist fascists, a movement that results in personal Liberty, personal Rights, personal Prosperity, and personal Happiness:
“THE AMERICAN SYSTEM OF POLITICAL ECONOMY”
MAGA Vs. THE DEEP STATE FASCISTS AND SOCIALISTS
The American System of Political Economy
Vs. Fascism and Socialism
https://open.substack.com/pub/william3n4z2/p/maga-vs-the-deep-state-fascists-and?r=1kb28q&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
Ummm. Maga "Constitutional Republicanism is the system that robbed the population from 2016-2020 of 1/2 their income in overt taxes, covert taxes and inflation... it is the system that tricked people into the jab... It did nothing about fractional reserve banking, confiscatory taxation, "vaccines", etc. "Government" IS THE SYSTEM THAT IS BEING USED TO ROB AND CONTROL YOU... Trump is OBVIOUSLY "In On It" https://artofliberty.substack.com/p/the-real-scam-of-trumps-indictment
re: "Trump is OBVIOUSLY "In On It":
Agreed!
Escape The DemoRub! ;-)
Trump Administration Accomplishments
Unprecedented Economic Boom
Before the China Virus invaded our shores, we built the world’s most prosperous economy.
https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/trump-administration-accomplishments/
Who is Donald Trump - really? Why did he release the vaccines for COVID-19 almost two years sooner than was planned? What is the reason behind the relentless attacks on his character, by the mainstream media? Here you wil find key secrets about Trump, that will open your eyes and give you an accurate understanding of the man and his actions.
https://stopworldcontrol.com/trump/
Unveiling The Truth: How We Almost Faced Global Tyranny And The Forces That Saved Us
https://stopworldcontrol.com/hidden-truth/