So would I, Gabriel. Hopefully the people who join would be prepared to jump into the mess of this topic and not be afraid to recognize where we're at.
Gabriel sent me here on a response to my recent (re)post that looks at both democracy and spirituality. It's a topic that Mathew and I debate, with much respect on both sides: https://thirdparadigm.substack.com/p/debunking-democracy.
I'm with my daughters and haven't listened yet, but look forward to it. My approach to a 'good argument' is that it first needs to state the question and then define all salient terms within it. From the description, it juxtaposes Biblical Christianity against every other theory of God spanning millennium, continents and cultures and lumping them all together in one jargon soup.
Even the term 'Christianity' usurps both the definition of God and the concept of Christ as a who rather than a what. It presupposes that the default is one person who God loved better than the rest of us put together. That's a version of Christianity that's a personality cult. Religion should be a forum for asking the big questions, starting with our true relationship to one another, not defining God first and only leaving our choice as believing in that version or none at all.
As Mathew knows, I've done a decade of research on the Bible and have come to conclusions, backed by facts and logic, that challenge the existence of Jesus and posit the authorship of the Bible as an imperial psyop that destroyed the true Christianity of the zealot revolution, which was bringing down the Roman Empire.
If you're looking for a real representation of an alternative, and not a straw man jumble of spiritual psychobabble, I'd love to be part of that roundtable.
Oh I studied it much longer than that. I went to Catholic grade school, HS and college, entering as a religion major. I suspect I've studied it longer than you've been alive. It wasn't until after I was 55 (I'm 67 now) that I realized it was a literary fiction written for nefarious purposes. And at first I resisted that, and the evidence kept coming in. Once I considered it seriously, it was irrefutable. Which at some level you know. Or you wouldn't be so afraid to debate it.
Saying that you're Catholic, going to college for religion, and only "realizing" at 55 are all evidence that you have no clue what you're talking about. New Agers will say anything to promote their Movement That Has No Name.
Understand that I am fearful for Christians in an environment in which my personal experience is with a theosophical network, much of which (not all, but it's not clear if that's the fluff "true believers" layer). However, like Tereza, I question the fidelity of at least much of organized Christianity. One worry/hypothesis that I have is that all the religions and cults have been steered in a "divide and conquer" way to create the modern Mollochian empire.
But ultimately, the reason that I am not a Christian, is that I see no reason for me to accept any book as true and divine. I'm happy to hear the arguments, participate in the discussion, and learn more. But here, you shut the conversation down immediately with an insult.
I've debated this topic since 2007, and the arguments on the other side just keep getting less informed as the years go on, even though the educational material is becoming better and more available. So if I'm curt, it's because there has to be a clear good-faith starting point to justify the effort, which Tereza has none of, considering she flagrantly misrepresented my own statements, lied about Geopolitics & Empire (actually inverted his stance), and is employing a host of logical fallacies to try to troll me into a high-school level debate where she gets to make the rules. Been there and done that.
There are mountains of books and online courses written by secular scholars (who are no fans of Catholicism or Christianity) on the history of the biblical texts, and no serious scholar suggests that the actual Roman Empire authored the texts, which is what Tereza claims she discovered. By no means is it an "insult" to say that a person is actually disqualified from discussing it if they assert that the Torah was created by a Roman. The existence of the Septuagint alone destroys that assertion. I'm currently reading a fascinating book (written by a secular scholar) on the Septuagint and its rich history before the Roman Empire even existed.
However, as for organized religion, I literally published a book a month or two ago about how Roman Catholicism is uniquely evil inversion of Christian principles (it's called "Rise of the Beast"). If you want to talk about that, I'm as fluent as anyone as to where and how that institution was corrupted. But that's a world apart from saying: "the authorship of the Bible as an imperial psyop" which is purely laughable.
I've posted your disappointment, thank you Mathew, and Terry's reply on my comment thread. So my response is for you and Hrvoje, so you can weigh the evidence for yourself. During the siege of Jerusalem, according to Josephus, Johanan ben Zakkai was smuggled out in a coffin and told the Roman general, Vespasian, that he would be emperor. According to the story, Vespasian gave him three wishes, which included the school of scholars who would reproduce the Torah and saving the Davidic line, who the Torah gave the divine right to rule: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yohanan_ben_Zakkai.
The Sadducees were against the Torah, which is the genealogy of the right to rule. The zealots were anti-imperialists against Rome. Zakkai came from Galilee where, he said, they hated the Torah and would "fall into the hands of robbers." This confirms the point in Jesus: Rebel or Imperialist? that the word 'robber' really means anti-imperialist insurgent. And Jesus expresses his hatred of the 'robbers' and his approval of the Romans in many passages I point out.
As Laurent Guyenot shows, there are no existing texts from before the Common Era, only copies and fragments 'wishfully dated.' What we know, without dispute, is that the Torah was 'preserved' under the watchful eye of Emperor Vespasian, who had just slaughtered, tortured, enslaved and exiled all of Judea for their rebellion. And the person who preserved it was a traitor to his people who sold them out in order to save the rulers and a fiction that God gave them that divine right. It doesn't get more imperial than that.
I have a couple of very astute readers who follow Icke, particularly Kathleen Devanney. I'm not well versed on him but I don't dismiss him. This episode quotes David Icke on Hamas: https://thirdparadigm.substack.com/p/gaza-jailbreak-or-trap. I think you'd find many readers with common ground in my episode linked below. Thanks for adding your thoughts, Angie.
Lots of people who are experiencing a true revival out of covid lack the words to express their new found faith. I fell myself at some points to word like consciousness . 90% of the folks out there have no theological education . Jordan Peterson hermeneutics lectures prove my points. People craves it, it speaks to them. They had no mother or father who went trough the material with them.
The trap lies at part of the bible taken out of context twisted and deconstructed in a perverse way. Everyone should start with reading their bibles hahahaha
That said Jay Dyer and Courtenay Turner have been very instrumental at exposing those "old wines in new bottle" pseudo intellectual movements.
In the end they(new agers) are all Marxist change agents. . . . fucking Anglo-American establishment.
This was valuable, specifically, the longer episode link, the interstitials illustrating who and what you're talking about, and the recommendation of books, people, and resources.
Books Mentioned:
The New World Religion, Gary H. Kah
Game of Gods,: The Temple of Man in the Age of Re-Enhancement, Carl Teichrib
New Evangelicalism: The New World Order, Paul Smith
Madame Blavatsky: The Mother of Modern Spirituality, Gary Lachman
I loved that discussion - 2.5 hours felt like 30 minutes. I like this format length. Great that you have shone a light on the new age deception. Thank you and God bless you both. Interesting to hear Gary Kah mentioned. A couple of years ago, I watched this interview (https://youtu.be/DUX0iLUR4QU?si=AEL_iliJXVa3UwII) that the pastor of Limerick City Church did with him. Gary would be an interesting guest on your podcast.
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Thank you for this very insightful discussion. I have known about the New Age movement since the days of Walter Martin when I saw him speak at a local church. Although I wasn't really saved back then, it really stuck with me. Now it seems to be in full fruition, and as a believer now, I see that it has metastasized fully.
I have been an InfoWars watcher for many years and have noticed the New Agers coming on the show like Mikki Willis and others. When AJ named his latest book "The Great Awakening" just like Mikki Willis' movie "Plandemic 3: The Great Awakening", I got more suspicious. He also has Mark Passio on sometimes, whom you mentioned, but he also seems New Age to me.
Funny, I have watched Spencer Smith often and really learned a lot from his "Third Adam" series, but I noticed that the E511 page has a video attacking him. Apparently, everyone has an opinion and we don't all agree on everything, but as long as we are able to recognize the New Age movement and call it out, we are heading in the right direction.
This interview insulted my intelligence. I am 69. Never called myself a Christian. Like to explore different ideas. Do not like fundamentalism of any kind. The conversation is so mixed up and the examples are so way off. Usually the geopolitics is my go to place.
As far as I can tell, Carole, we may be the only women watching. It's interesting that Terry starts by saying some men wanted him to come be their pastor because their wives were getting suckered into New Age philosophy and they needed someone to argue back. I don't think Terry believes women have the intelligence to think for themselves. Unless they agree with him, I'm sure.
Curious too that he states New Agism works by presenting false dichotomies, yet isn't that what he does here? If you're not a fundamentalist Bible thumper, then you must be a theosophist UFO Flat Earth No-Viruser. I guess now that 'conspiracy theorist' has lost its punch, with so many of us claiming it proudly, he needs a new way to discredit people. And so Terry does the exact thing he's deriding, by lumping them all together.
He also acts like you were offended, which is quite different than saying the interview insulted your intelligence, and then accuses you of being a Hitler supporter or thinking you're god. It's telling that more than half of the comments he hasn't liked.
Having listened to the whole interview, I have more to say about your low regard for women's ability to think, and will be doing an episode called Terry Wolfe Spits on Spirit. And I'll include your responses since, as you believe, "When we speak, we win." Since the Bible is your authority, let me ask you your thoughts on two of the (many) troubling reasons that I, with others, consider Yahweh to be a sociopathic creation of megalomaniac men:
When Noah, backed by god, curses all the descendants of Canaan to be slaves in perpetuity to the descendants of Shem. How do you justify that?
And when god orders the genocide of the Amalekites down to the suckling babe. Is this the god you believe in?
Terry, I'm asking you a simple question and you're dodging it by throwing out insults. You can open your own Bible and read the story of Noah, yes? I'm not saying anything that isn't in there. I'm assuming you know the story of the Amalekites, right? If we agree that these stories are in there, then I'm not 'hating the Bible' by quoting it, agreed?
The story of Noah's curse was used by slaveowners as justification that Africans were the descendants of Ham (along with Egyptians, Arabs and some Asians according to Josephus) and so god intended them to be slaves. To kill a race of people down to the suckling babe is as extreme as genocide gets, yet god is angry that they left one man alive.
Are you saying that you weren't aware of these stories, or that you don't believe slavery and genocide to be sociopathic? I'm trying to engage in a discussion of ideas and you just come back with insults.
I am 61 and enjoy different viewpoints. I researched germ theory and purchased the book "Bechamp or Pasteur", by Douglas Hume. Very relevant information in that book refuting germ theory.
This was excellent. It's been what I've been researching a lot lately. Glad to see it's becoming more widespread as a topic of discussion among Christians.
A few things you may already know but that I jotted down while listening....
Constance Cumbey wrote the first expose that I know of showing the dangers of the New Age Movement, back in the early 80s. Her books ("The Hidden Dangers of the Rainbow", "A Planned Deception") are available online for downloading.
Carl Teichrib's book is amazing! He's at Burning Man right now. Drop everything and (1) pray for him and his team as they share the Gospel there (2) Read his book "Game of Gods" now. You won't be disappointed.
What is most fascinating, and concerning to me, about this topic is the idea of the "Sacred Purge", which you touched on from the New Age angle, but which also exists in some circles of thought in some aberrant/heretical "Christian" groups. The New Apostolic Reformation, and Dominionists, whose roots in modern times go back to the Latter Rain and Manifest Sons of God movements of the late 1940s, have incorporated into their doctrine the idea that in the final days, a select group of Christians will be God's instrument to execute His judgments upon the Earth, against both those who have rejected the Gospel outside the church, and those who oppose their active project of "establishing God's kingdom on earth" in a physical way.
The best book for this that I've found is "The Converging Apostasy" by Stephen Montgomery. It is chock full of research, demonstrating how New Age teachings and teachings in some of the NAR / Dominionist / Manifest Sons of God groups are converging into a final end times apostasy that will probably be the "sea" out of which the Antichrist kingdom arises. Gnosticism is the main root from which all this stuff springs, and that is demonstrated well in Montgomery's book.
Some interesting YT channels you may want to check out are:
Magical Mystery Church
Leaving the Message (the "Converging Apostasy" playlist)
I liked what you said about how the Great Awakening and the Great Reset are two sides of the same coin. Or at least, one leads to the other, and the one is the dark and obvious evil empire which is setting the stage for the "pendulum swing" from the Right to abolish all that nasty evil stuff, but it will be a "controlled opposition", led in the background by Satan masquerading as an angel of light.
Lastly, another good book to check out was written in 2004 by Lee Penn called "False Dawn". It is also available online for free. He does great research into the One World Religion initiatives from various people and groups, like some of those you already mentioned, along Maurice Strong / Gorbachev and their Earth Charter, Barbara Marx Hubbard, the State of the World Forum, etc. Near the end of this book he warns that in a reaction to all this Leftist, Utopian, antichristian stuff, there may arise from the Right something even worse. Most people would poo poo that idea, but I think his warnings are very apropos for today.
This was a much needed video regarding the insidious, subtle infiltration of satanism into the alternative media and the truth movement! All of the new age 'spiritual' people I meet have one thing in common. They reject the sacrifice of Jesus Christ by saying there's more than one way to God. If Jesus isn't the only Way what was the purpose of Jesus allowing Himself to suffer and die at the hands of wicked men? The death of Jesus was not necessary if there was any other way.
Matthew 26:42 He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done. Jesus said in John 10:1 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber." John 14:6- Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 3:16- For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Unless you believe that Jesus Christ is the only Way to eternal life there's no hope for your soul.
Great job Terry and Hrvoje! It’s so refreshing to hear this conversation being had. Support these two Truth Seekers. They are willing to take the heat to dispel the deception.
In a nutshell (and from a lot of my own personal research), NEW AGE = NEW SATANIC AGE. It's been in full swing for over a century now (see Alice Bailey's writings & magazine).
Both Alex Jones & Joe Rogan are Freemasons. Freemasonry, at its core and especially those at the top levels, is Satanism. Both - an even Tucker Carlson to some extent - promote this new age, alien deception crap.
As for Steven Greer, it should be obvious to any one with a modicum of a critical lens, that he is either an intelligent plant and/or a major (highly skilled/gifted) CON-ARTIST. See some of my writing exposing him in section 7. Dr. Steven Greer – Legit or Placed Operative? (of my The Alien Deception Distraction post/series): https://fournier.substack.com/i/136111451/dr-steven-greer-legit-or-placed-operative
In that part of the panel were we see the pale horse, I wrote:
- "Here, not only does it means death to humans (such as from war and pandemics), but also death to sovereign nations, cultural identity, family, and the like." and
- "In summary, it’s really indicative of the elite’s desire to bring about massive depopulation."
I largely agree with your "Green World Order" thesis. And I often wrote about how the Green Agenda is the 3rd pillar, or glue to the new total system of enslavement with the other two pillars being a biometric digital ID (mark of the beast) + a CBDC.
Great! Can you send me a quick note to my email at dfournier@protonmail.com? We could thereon exchange on possible dates (maybe in September?) and topics of discussion.
I was listening to this on your geopolitics and empire website, not Substack, and the video froze at 1:20 when Jimmy Dore was speaking and a message on the screen said: " media used features your browser did not support." I was on the Microsoft browser.
This has never happened before to me. I have been following you for about two years, since before you arrived on substack. I finished tonight's discussion on Substack subsequently.
Coincidence that late last night I got a strange email threatening me to agree to new terms of service taking effect September 30, 2024, or I would be kicked off of Microsoft. Then tonight this happens. Interesting times, seems like speedometer is accelerating.
I think that was simply a glitch on Odysee, where you were watching, which is not unusual. The video seems to be most stable on places like Substack or Brighteon and Rumble or Bitchute
I've actually experienced more stability on your website than on substack in the past. My old computer seemed to heat up and the experience uneven on substack; no problem at G& E before tonight. Anyhow, enjoy your work, thanks.
Your bio, Terry, says that you were raised to fear God and study the Word. But you don't disclose that you have moved far, far, from your upbringing. Apparently your views are expressed, not only in "Maybe Everyone is Wrong," but also in another book entitled "It's God's Fault." At first I thought you must be responding to people who express this sentiment, but I learned that it is actually your own indictment of God and His character.
Your book is a carelessly thought-out attempt to point an accusing finger at God. "To Him [God] belongs all accountability," you say. Accountability to whom? Do you imagine that God, your Creator, is accountable to you? God is accountable to no man and He certainly does not answer to you. Have you EVER read the Book of Job?
Your book amounts to a [muddled] 150+ page indictment of God and a denial of the sufficiency of Scripture for the faith and practice of the Christian. You actually suggest that you have a better idea for the way the world should work than God Himself - He should communicate with everyone in dreams, you say. Pity that He didn't consult with you before He created the world. Oh, I forgot, you weren't there.
You critique, rightly, those who have vulgar things to say about God, and then turn around to set yourself above God, demanding that God answer to you. In your ignorance, you attack the Word of God:
"The text [of the Bible] fails to produce clarity and consistency."
"The Septuagint sheds light, but only on a bigger mess."
"We have proof of the Bible's incompleteness in the Bible itself."
The only thing these statements, and others like them, reveal is the inadequacy of your own understanding.
You fault a holy God for the choices made by men: "Billions are destined for hell due to their (somewhat justified) doubts … and if we're realistic we must say that this is God's fault."
"God is at fault for what is happening."
I was careful to read your words in context. You have the gall to suggest that God is at fault for the choices that men make.
As if that were not enough, you go on to suggest a way for God to improve upon his plan:
"Without a doubt, God could personally reveal Himself to humans … allow me to make some suggestions for how God could have done it….God could visit people in their dreams and teach them personally what they need to know."
Your arrogance is staggering.
Fundamentalism is not the issue, because it is easy enough to figure out that fundamentalists have, in their own way, hijacked the teachings of the Bible for their own purposes. But that is not the Bible's fault. Living by the Word of God in obedience to Jesus Christ is not the same as being a fundamentalist. I am sorry if you were raised in an environment that left a bad taste in your mouth, but you are hardly the only one who has experienced this problem, who has had to figure out how to move on, hopefully in a direction that relies on what the Bible actually does teach. And yes, I understand that the first line of resources available to you within the realm of fundamentalist teaching might not have the answers you need for the 150+ pages of problems you have with God and His Word. But others have been there before you, and they have found intellectually sound answers to the problems you face.
If we care about the Word, and following Jesus Christ in obedience, we know enough to confess that if there are apparent problems with what the Bible says, it is not the inspired Word of God that is at fault, it is our own lack of wisdom, knowledge, and understanding. We determine to wait on God until He graciously gives us the answers. Or do you think you are also the only one who has ever seen apparent contradictions and not known, at first, what to do with them? Every single one of the problems you have, that you discuss in your book, has an answer that can be found with relative ease. So you are making false accusations against God, against His Word, against His character, imagining yourself to be of greater wisdom and moral stature because you choose not to put in the effort to pray, exercise patience, and study in a disciplined manner to find that all the confusion is not in the Word of God, but in your head.
You can take that in one of two ways: As an unmitigated indictment of what you have done, or as a path to get out of the tangle you have created in your own mind. Get out of your own head and do some serious studying, Terry, because whatever you have done it has obviously not been enough. Some of the statement you make are absolute absurdities. You should be studying, not writing and misleading others by your example. The number of followers you have is no measure of the wisdom of what you write.
And yes, I am being harsh, because even when we must struggle with what seem to be the most impossible contradictions of the Bible, whether apparent internal contradictions or apparent contradictions between the character of God and the reality of our world, it is our responsibility to wait on the Lord and seek answers from Him. If we find ourselves in what seems like a hopeless state of confusion, our recourse is to pray, study diligently, and seek the counsel of more mature Christians (if we can find them). We do this in private. The most difficult problems with the text are in the area of chronology, and even those can be resolved with sufficient discipline, prayer, and study.
You not only harbor an accusatory attitude toward God in your heart, you put your accusations in print to mislead others. And now you promise a second volume with more. I would urge you to quit, to renounce what you have already done, and study the Word of God and the words of others who have greater wisdom than you to find the resolution to your many difficulties. You might not find it among fundamentalists, but God will show you if you ask Him in a humble spirit. Then you can be an example of faith to your followers, rather than someone who sets their faith on the rocks.
The last thing you need to be worrying about is eschatology, if you don't even have a solid foundation in trusting the Word of God. Your eschatology is flawed. You think that because you cannot understand it, nobody can, but you are very wrong in that, as well. The purpose of eschatology is to provide support for the saints who will be overcome, because God has told us in advance what will happen. If you make predications as a result of inadequate study, then when things don't play out as you suggest, others will be left in further confusion. We do not figure out what the Word of God says by putting our own speculations out there to start a conversation with others whose speculations are no better than our own. We study the Word of God, as instructed in the Bible, before we speak.
Saving faith is more than words. We forsake the world, die to ourselves, and follow Jesus Christ in obedience. In Jesus Christ we find both perfect justice and perfect mercy. Because of the blood He shed on the cross, our sins are not counted against us. The Word of God is the most incredible document that humanity has ever seen. Nothing can compare with its majesty and its truth. It is perfectly capable of defending itself against all attacks. The Holy Spirit of God teaches us through His Word, not through dreams. May you have a change of heart, renounce what you have done, and walk in genuine faith.
What a hilarious attempt to smear my amazing book on theology! I'm going to write up a whole post about it on my Substack to laugh at your contrived, false arguments.
I'm not going to read your Substack, Terry. And I have no interest in smearing your book. My purpose is to defend the integrity of the Word of God, and to confirm for others that we follow God in love, not because He is "a dangerous force" who "holds all the cards," which makes our salvation nothing more than a self-serving strategy to placate a capricious God. If I have said something that is inaccurate, please correct me here.
My only reply here would be that you have mischaracterized the entire book. You ignored both the preface in which I clarify that I'm voicing a lament from the perspective of one who is struggling with God's judgments, and the arguments I make to back up those statements you took out of context.
Terry, in an attempt to consider every possible reason you might have for writing the way you do, I worried that when you express your struggle with God's judgments, it might be for very personal reasons. One of the most difficult realities we face is the loss of a loved one who was not a believer. The sorrow of that can be overwhelming and difficult to accept. How do I share the gospel with someone whose spouse, parent, or older child has died without Christ, if it means that person will come to the realization that their loved one faces the judgment of God?
Even under these circumstances, however, we must accept that the wisdom of God is greater than our own. Matthew 10:37 states, "He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me, and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me." With the way you write, you are walking a very fine line, putting your sympathies for others ahead of the wisdom of God. These are difficult words, but they do warn us that we are not to allow our sympathies for other people to overpower our trust in the judgment of God, who commands our loyalty - in trust and not begrudgingly. God does not punish capriciously. Too many times I have wanted a person to find salvation, but they die without faith. God has been gracious in cushioning the blow. In the extended conversations I have had with such individuals, I have always been allowed to see that, beyond the veneer that generates so much sympathy on our part, is a foundation of unrepentant hostility toward God. Yes, even in those we dearly love.
Read Luke 16:24-17:4. Do we think God could do more? You seem to think that, but this is where you cross a line and begin to oppose what the Word of God teaches. This passage makes it clear that God doing more, doing things differently, as you suggest, would not change outcomes. It is a matter of what resides in the heart of non-believers, not God's inadequate actions or what you see as indifference on His part. Once a person has proof, faith becomes impossible, and salvation is anchored in self-interest, which is the antithesis of love. Your suggestions for God do not work, Terry. They cannot serve as the foundation for a further development of whatever path you seem to be on. Your sympathy for others, my sympathy for anyone facing the losses I have described, cannot be allowed to cause us to indict God or His judgments. They remain grounded in His holiness and His love. The miracle is that the Son of God would die for us in view of our disgusting moral state and the absolute repugnance of the sin that we harbor in our hearts. If it seems that God fails to answer us, in our calls to Him, it means that we have not fully submitted ourselves to His will. That will always be the explanation for His apparent silence.
Terry, I was extremely careful to read your comments in context, and to be sure I was interpreting them in the way that any ordinary reader would. I did read your preface. I understand you are voicing discomfort. One of the sentences I quoted comes directly out of your preface, where you specifically state that accountability belongs to God - DEAD STOP. That was the conclusion of your preface. I will repeat my response: God answers to no one. That does set the tone of your book, where you write as though God must answer to you. This tone is presumptuous beyond imagination. You declare that God must explain Himself to you, and the Bible responds by saying 'Who are you to question your Creator." We approach God in humility. Period. You mislead others not only with your words, but with your very tone.
If you are attempting to use the literary device of standing in the shoes of one who is making an argument that you will then defeat, may I suggest that you abandon this effort. Even that is taking your book in its best light and then some, which would require a reader to comprehend (not just read the words) than you don't intend to stop where you leave off with this book as you prepare to do a complete turnaround (is that where you are headed? who knows?) That is extremely dangerous, because someone might read this book and never read anything else you write. It is not appropriate to engage in a lengthy assault against God and then in volume 2 say "surprise we have an answer." We are responsible for making the spirit in which we write obvious as we write, not saving it for a surprise ending. You might very well be tearing apart the faith of a young believer with your "paradoxes" which are not paradoxes at all. And in saying this I am using my imagination to give you the benefit of the doubt, and think of every possible reason for why you have written the way you do.
Your writing does not elucidate a paradox as much as it comes across as being schizophrenic. I am not saying that to be mean, but to knock you in the head, metaphorically speaking, and say pay attention before you continue on with further danger to yourself and others. One sentence praises God and the next points to His deficiencies. You seem to have a particular problem with what happens to our fellow human beings, and forget that God created them. You did not. We are not called upon to stand with others against God who punishes them for some unknown, undisclosed, unfair, capricious reason. We are called to preach the gospel, and baptize new believers. You are not doing that. God does not punish without warrant, He punishes sin because it is evil. You are too naive about human nature to write about it, Terry. You write as someone who does not understand that human beings are evil to their core. We don't need volume 2 of your writing to explain it, the Book of Romans is sufficient. You should be pointing to the Word of God, not promoting your own books.
Without in any way indicating that you are assuming a position for the sake of argument, you come across as one who presumes to redefine the character of God Himself. This is blasphemous. God's character is revealed fully in the incarnate Son of God and in the Word of God: his unfailing lovingkindness, his trustworthiness, His infinite holiness, His complete knowledge and power, and the rest of His magnificent traits. These are never acknowledge by you to contextualize what you write. Read someone like Matthew Henry, whose writing is infused with praise for God. Do you imagine your approach is superior? What you do express is not love, but the determined compliance of someone who is being crushed by a God who "can just as easily damn or save our soul." The heart of the believer says, Who do I have in heaven but you, and besides you I desire nothing on earth. That is our song, but it is not yours.
Only God knows your heart, but if you take it upon yourself to communicate with others in public, it also becomes your responsibility to build them up in the faith, not to destroy their faith due to carelessly written sentences and attachment to an inappropriate literary device. Your writing is NOT clear, Terry. You see yourself as some sort of theologian, but you are not prepared for the task. Thanks to a link from Mark below, I have seen a bit more of what you say about eschatology, and although you make some points that are correct (based on a very quick surface reading), your overall scheme is utterly unsupported by the Bible. You make leaps of logic that absolutely cannot be sustained. Your interest in the Bible is a good thing. Study and pray more.
I have read wonderful material by people who also are not theologians. They are ordinary people who have expressed the reality and blessings of faith and of walking with the Lord, especially during trying times. We teach, encourage, evangelize, by referring to what we learn in the Word of God, not by reinventing the wheel. It is the Holy Spirit, not our words that convict others of sin to bring them to repentance. That is our mission in sharing the gospel. In our style of teaching we are to follow Paul's instructions and he does not instruct us to write as you do.
As I said elsewhere, I fully sympathize with anyone who faces apparent contradictions with a surface reading of the Bible. What fundamentalists do with it is not the issue - we simply move on from the approach taken by the fundamentalists and focus on a better hermeneutic. And that is the end of that.
We are not called upon to be brilliant, or innovative in our understanding or in our communications. We are called upon to learn from the Word of God and point others to it, so that the Holy Spirit can confirm what they read. That's it. The rest is folly.
Please just live. All this text and for what. You have life, you have fresh air, people to possibly talk to if they don't think you're a complete weirdo. Either way you have everything this world could possibly offer by way of God. It is right there before you, as with myself and everyone I meet. Please just live and love and breathe until it means no more 🙏
But can I just ask what you mean by the term "fundamentalist Christian"? I only ask because, as I understand it, the phrase originally just meant a person who accepted the 5 rather uncontroversial doctrines (e.g. the inerrancy of Scripture, and the virgin birth) laid out here: https://www.pcahistory.org/documents/deliverance.html
Thank you for sending the link, Mark, and for your kind words. I enjoyed reading the points, because they formalize what we hold to be indisputably true.
When I used the word "fundamental" I was thinking more in terms of what it means in popular understanding today, because it was my sense that this was how Terry was using the term. When I distinguished between biblical Christianity that is obedient to Christ, and "fundamentalism" I had in mind some traits and beliefs that most people associate with fundamentalism, that are not part of the fundamentals of the faith.
One example would be the use of the phrase "reading the Bible literally." This typically means to read it literally - unless, of course, you can't, which does not provide clarity. Once we establish the meaning that was intended by the inspired author, I adhere to that meaning, without trying to allegorize or mythologize it or explain it away if it is factually or conceptually inconvenient. That might or might not require a "literal" interpretation. The English language is far more dynamic than that, which is important if a person wants to develop a solid approach to hermeneutics. The use of this word also goes beyond the historical doctrine of inspiration and inerrancy. However, for most people, what I said in this paragraph is just too awkward to express, and so "literally" becomes the catchword.
Another example would be what almost seems to be a deliberate effort to prove adherence to what the Bible teaches ESPECIALLY against all logic and reason, as if extra merit results from this exercise. Many "fundamentalists" almost seem to require belief in a young earth in order to prove their loyalty to what the Scriptures teach. I will agree with any age the Bible specifies, because I have seen "science" distorted too many times just to destroy the truth of the Bible. The reason I find this position troubling is because I have studied it extensively, and the verb forms of the Hebrew text of Genesis 1:1-2 simply do not support the requirement of a young earth. Recent creation of man, yes. Evolution, no. But we are not given the age of the earth. Yet, in the mind of the public, fundamentalists = YEC. It hardly matters for people who just want to get on with their lives, but in the case of someone who enters a university, and is faced with contrary evidence, a dogmatic insistence on more than what the Bible teaches can lead to serious difficulties, and even loss of faith. So that type of person will need to find support from other believers outside of the sphere of fundamentalism, who still adhere to genuine faith.
The same holds true of some churches who insist on the complete silence of women in church, because they read the Bible "literally" - because if there is any way to read the text on its face that is what is done, when a more careful analysis is always warranted. Another example would be the pre-tribulation rapture. I believe it is a dearly-held belief of "fundamentalists" but, again, based on extensive study, I would argue against it, in favor of a pre-wrath rapture.
I'm sure there are a few other examples, but they are not coming to mind right now. One could do worse than consider themselves to be a fundamentalist, because it is one of the last bulwarks against the many forms of error that have infiltrated so many of the churches. I would have no trouble recommending a fundamentalist church to a new believer so they could be grounded in the Word. But when an individual reaches the point where they are experiencing what can accurately be called cognitive dissonance as a result of literal readings of passages that require more than a surface analysis, then additional resources might be necessary to avoid extreme frustration. (And simply in the interest of full disclosure, so you don't have the wrong impression of me, I am a woman, not a man.)
Wow. Many thanks for taking the time and trouble to put this together.
Firstly, please accept my sincere apologies for wrongly guessing your gender, I am suitably embarrassed :o(
Next, your analysis of what "fundamentalism" has come to mean has shown me that Satan has once again taken a word that originally had a positive meaning and twisted it to mean something bad, "Fundamentalism" is now just a perverse replacement for the biblical terms "simple" and "unlearned" :o(
Finally, well done on being pre-mill and not being pre-trib. (Well done too on spotting the huge flaw in the idea that women should be silent in church.) I'd be interested in chatting privately on two of the other topics you raise. If that would be okay with you, I can be reached at meon.min at yahoo dot com
Hi Mark, I just sent an email to you. I'm noting it here just in case it goes to spam or gets lost in Yahoo space. When you get it and you have a chance, please let me know it got through. Thank you and God bless.
Mark Walker and J. P. Kerber, I am greatly blessed to have read your excellently expressed oracles from the Spirit of Elohim’s Holy Word! I'd be interested in privately connecting with you according to the LORD Jesus’ admonishment in Matthew 18:20, if that would be okay with both of you. I can be reached at johnshaphat@hotmail.com . Thank you and God bless.
Since I've taken the time to listen through the entire 2 hours and 24 minutes of this podcast, I'd like to share a few thoughts:
I recommend you listen back to your discussion with Dr. Calvin Beisner (was a much more balanced discussion than this one - for example the parts about Truth and Light) where you agreed with him that climate cycles exist. You said you also agreed with Pierce Corbin's solar and lunar cycles [time stamp 6:38] which you used in an environmental course you used to teach:
However, for some reason in this discussion you appear to reject the notion of cycles changing from one to another. Another word for a cycle is simply an age. When one cycle ends, another one starts up, hence there's "a new age". What a revolutionary idea! (This is arbitrary stuff, though). The Hindus and Mesoamericans (the Mayans, Aztecs, Olmecs etc) measured cycles of time for literary thousands of years before concepts such as theosophy, occultism and the New Age movement appeared on the scene. in the West. They also measured cycles of time for thousands of years before even Christianity appeared.
Since you live in Mexico, the Yucatan being ancient Maya Lands, one would have thought that you would be more aware of indigenous peoples' understanding of the ancient cycles and how "New Age-ism" has been with us for centuries in various forms.
So what is this particular cycle that's so important for everyone, except for you guys? It's the Precessional Cycle. (Both the sacred Yuga Cycles and Maya Cycles are based upon it). It's very relevant at this time, (why?) because the New Cycle starts in 2030 (what a surprise, right?).
Would it not make more sense to try and understand what cyclic changes could be expected, rather than denying the existence of a cycle? [Free to download for the open-minded ...].
And yes, it's inevitable that to understand these concepts one would have to delve into metaphysics, and sometimes such understanding can only be found in places that are less conventional, which does not automatically turn one into being 'against Christianity' (what totally ridiculous notion).
BTW, turning absolutely everything into a conspiracy can easily turn into a neurosis of constant paranoia where even your allies are perceived to be conspiring against you.
But you've just proven the point, EnergyShifts dot net. Bastardized eastern mysticism is exactly what is called "Theosophy/New Age" today, so you're correct that Westerners are importing foreign mysticism and rebranding it as "science" using false analogies -- like you just did by referring to "climate cycles", which have nothing to do with the Piscean and Aquarian Age concepts. Your concept of a New Cycle is fake hogwash, occult religious opinion, total misinformation dressed up as a quasi-scientific fact. Nothing is required to understand these concepts except the history of their teaching in our culture, which stems from Helena Blavatsky, Alice Bailey, and Merilyn Ferguson.
One cycle follows another and one age comes after the other - that's the general point I made. Cycles and ages govern the world, whether you are aware of it or not (or like it or not). Day and night is a cycle.
People focus on different cycles. Some focus on business or climate cycles, while others focus on ancient calendars, or astronomical, or astrology cycles. One of the reasons why people are more and more interested in spiritual matters is literally because it's a cyclic phenomenon, meaning that the trend of following cycles and having an interest in such matters is very likely to increase, not decrease ...
You guys are going to find yourselves left behind because you are not tracking what's really going on. This shift that we have entered is MASSIVE - it's better to try and comprehend it from different angles.
For example, if you remove all the esoteric and mystical ways of approaching it, but rather approach it from a Historical Cycle perspective you still end up with a similar result. Every 300 to 500 years there's a shift from a spiritual age to a material age, OR vice versa. We are at present in the very end stages of a material cycle, about to transition into a spiritual age (it has already started and all this new interest that you are observing in metaphysical topics among even alt-media, is organic ... - people are searching for spiritual answers and solutions, because everything has become so utterly senseless and materialistic in these times, such a lack of spirituality. Humans will always be spiritual seekers and that can't be stopped by insistent dogmatism).
A Christian writer has explained this process in detail in his book 'The Crisis of Our Age' - a full copy is freely available here:
The issue with basically calling absolutely everyone 'evil' who don't adhere to your world view or spiritual outlook is likely to cause a rift in alt-media, but perhaps that's actually a positive development.
Perhaps you and Mr Moric should unsubscribe from all those occult newsletters that you receive and read (which you both admitted to during the discussion) as it's colouring your views - as a result everything 'out there' appears to you as gnostic or occult conspiracies that everyone is in on, except for yourselves (apparently even Alex Jones!).
Fortunately we are free to pursue our own spiritual journeys and evolution according to our own free will.
Sometimes people who say they are not experts at a certain topic, take it very personal when you disagree or have your own thoughts on a subject they speak about. If Wolfe could, he’d have removed your comment and would block you. It’s basically like you spanked him. Then he begins his reply with “for your enjoyment.” Perhaps he needs to mature and learn to appreciate not everyone will be a fan of his.
You obviously aren't familiar with my multi-hour live streams on TikTok and YouTube where I freely invite people to come in and disagree with me. It's been one of my favorite kinds of interactions. Far from blocking people, I love the old school internet mentality that we have the freedom to give our opinions and disagree.
Everyone in the info sphere is vying for attentions. Around 2004-2006 i tho Alex Jones could have been characterize has a "Gargoyle" effect perhaps. IF you saw ALEX periods : 08 crash+ , Ron Paul , Obama deception , EndGame , COVID its clear . His message is shape has a reacton to the big non-profit foundations IE:Rockefeller/Carnegy/Gates/Plan parenthood. If you truly watched his body of work you cannot lump him into the the new agers trojan horse. Alex hited rock bottom and surrendered to god i am still baffled at everything that unfolded over the past 5 years. Only god strength can carry someone under such attacks.
I'll leave you with his own words : Infowars is not a cult everyone is free to express ANY views. IE: Greg Reese exploration , Geizer the FreeMason , Smith and Shroyer the America 1ster, Jon Bowne is a flat out punk rocker. Just saying
IF there is a curious trojan horse thats Rogan . . . he never stray too far from the democrats interest and talking points or correctness . . . if you rather.
I believe that Alex Jones hit rock bottom and surrendered to somebody, but it doesn't sound like it's God if he's saying that the Bible is a "damn science fiction book" and that it has hidden layers of meaning that you need eastern mysticism to understand.
You should watch the shows he does during Xmas or holidays when no one works. i saw many people spill their guts in hard times hes transparent. I'll give you that one , Patchenik clip after J6 is a stab in the heart but everyone with common sens raised questions about the 9-11.
In a way its akin lets say if Hrvoje would talk about the englican church then the greek orthodox church right after. IT make sens to me that you need a broad understanding , the big picture of the Christian landscape. The luciferian faith is rampant across big tech and rich people. Would be a weakness not to look into their belief system.
There is a long line of Rose Crucian and Mason in my family am i guilty when i seek to understand ? Am just a wretch , a sinner. shrug
like i said ; everyone is vying for attention (including you) you're using the same tactic the sandy hook people have came up with. Your stealing his identity and selling him has a spun up product. Same gig big tech is doing. Extracting , repackaging , reselling YOU the product. I dont like Willis but guilt by association is reaching. Pick David Hike at least there is a vast written record. To back you up. Neo-platonist or Solipsism those positions fall flat on their face. It's not hard to rebuke and yet still a treat i grant you that.
To be honest there is more cause for alarm with a Trudeau giving tacit approval to burn Christian churches , the US Mao cultural revolution 2.0 .
At the moment i been knee deep into the "christian nationalist" question its almost impossible to explore or carry the ball forward because folks have surface/knee jerk reactions.
An healty dose of realism and fact base analysis would help everyone on all front.
Being the dau. of a Baptist Minister, it was quite a revelation to me to find out the "God" of the Old Testament is NOT the Creator of All. We received an incorrect translation of the word, 'elohim', which we read in Genesis as "God"....it should have been translated "gods". That in itself gives a whole different slant to the O.T. stories. Then we know that the Jesus Story we were given was the one that had been certified by the Roman Gov't. So....my conclusion is, The Bible has been one of the best tools in The Toolbox of The Controllers!! For a glimpse that the really Big Picture & where we fit into it, check out The Urantia Book!!!! On can choose which book one wishes to believe, so it all comes down to another division The Controllers can use to keep Humanity separated & fighting!
Terry Wolfe, for the sake of proving your point that churches that are not 501c3 (i.e. not idolatrously Socially-Secured) are "for profit”, can you cite examples of a non-501c3 church (that is not Socialistically-Secured) being given religious instructions from a democratic Socialist government? What about the lukewarm Laodicean (501c3) Church that is patriotically secured within John Bunyan’s City of Destruction?
My point was never that non-501c3 churches do receive instructions. In fact, aside from state churches like the Anglican, can you think of any examples of a church being forced to preach certain religious messages by the government? There have been punishments for churches who give *political* messages, but I don't think religious ones. I'd be open to hearing examples.
RE: “can you think of any examples of a church being forced to observe/preach certain religious messages by the government (i.e. 501c3 government mandated political correctness) ?”
Terry, proudly displayed at the entrances of 501c3 religious organizations is the idolized, sacred image of Harlot America’s Old Glory; that supremely reigns high above the degraded Xian flag of Democracy’s apostate Laodicean Church. Obviously this is a major example of a forced religious mandate by the government over the PC 501c3 church that you seek.
Likewise, Nebuchadnezzar’s government sovereignly forced Israel’s captive Old Covenant nation to religiously bow their hearts allegiance, in sacred worship to Babylon’s idolized golden image.
This was an epic discussion, I think people will learn a lot from this one!
I'd love to see you two discuss this with others in a round table format.
So would I, Gabriel. Hopefully the people who join would be prepared to jump into the mess of this topic and not be afraid to recognize where we're at.
I would LOVE to be part of such a round table discussion.
Gabriel sent me here on a response to my recent (re)post that looks at both democracy and spirituality. It's a topic that Mathew and I debate, with much respect on both sides: https://thirdparadigm.substack.com/p/debunking-democracy.
I'm with my daughters and haven't listened yet, but look forward to it. My approach to a 'good argument' is that it first needs to state the question and then define all salient terms within it. From the description, it juxtaposes Biblical Christianity against every other theory of God spanning millennium, continents and cultures and lumping them all together in one jargon soup.
Even the term 'Christianity' usurps both the definition of God and the concept of Christ as a who rather than a what. It presupposes that the default is one person who God loved better than the rest of us put together. That's a version of Christianity that's a personality cult. Religion should be a forum for asking the big questions, starting with our true relationship to one another, not defining God first and only leaving our choice as believing in that version or none at all.
As Mathew knows, I've done a decade of research on the Bible and have come to conclusions, backed by facts and logic, that challenge the existence of Jesus and posit the authorship of the Bible as an imperial psyop that destroyed the true Christianity of the zealot revolution, which was bringing down the Roman Empire.
If you're looking for a real representation of an alternative, and not a straw man jumble of spiritual psychobabble, I'd love to be part of that roundtable.
You studied the Bible for a decade and still think it was written by the Roman empire, you aren't qualified to have any discussion.
Oh I studied it much longer than that. I went to Catholic grade school, HS and college, entering as a religion major. I suspect I've studied it longer than you've been alive. It wasn't until after I was 55 (I'm 67 now) that I realized it was a literary fiction written for nefarious purposes. And at first I resisted that, and the evidence kept coming in. Once I considered it seriously, it was irrefutable. Which at some level you know. Or you wouldn't be so afraid to debate it.
Saying that you're Catholic, going to college for religion, and only "realizing" at 55 are all evidence that you have no clue what you're talking about. New Agers will say anything to promote their Movement That Has No Name.
I'm disappointed at this reply.
Understand that I am fearful for Christians in an environment in which my personal experience is with a theosophical network, much of which (not all, but it's not clear if that's the fluff "true believers" layer). However, like Tereza, I question the fidelity of at least much of organized Christianity. One worry/hypothesis that I have is that all the religions and cults have been steered in a "divide and conquer" way to create the modern Mollochian empire.
But ultimately, the reason that I am not a Christian, is that I see no reason for me to accept any book as true and divine. I'm happy to hear the arguments, participate in the discussion, and learn more. But here, you shut the conversation down immediately with an insult.
It's unnecessary and disappointing.
I've debated this topic since 2007, and the arguments on the other side just keep getting less informed as the years go on, even though the educational material is becoming better and more available. So if I'm curt, it's because there has to be a clear good-faith starting point to justify the effort, which Tereza has none of, considering she flagrantly misrepresented my own statements, lied about Geopolitics & Empire (actually inverted his stance), and is employing a host of logical fallacies to try to troll me into a high-school level debate where she gets to make the rules. Been there and done that.
There are mountains of books and online courses written by secular scholars (who are no fans of Catholicism or Christianity) on the history of the biblical texts, and no serious scholar suggests that the actual Roman Empire authored the texts, which is what Tereza claims she discovered. By no means is it an "insult" to say that a person is actually disqualified from discussing it if they assert that the Torah was created by a Roman. The existence of the Septuagint alone destroys that assertion. I'm currently reading a fascinating book (written by a secular scholar) on the Septuagint and its rich history before the Roman Empire even existed.
However, as for organized religion, I literally published a book a month or two ago about how Roman Catholicism is uniquely evil inversion of Christian principles (it's called "Rise of the Beast"). If you want to talk about that, I'm as fluent as anyone as to where and how that institution was corrupted. But that's a world apart from saying: "the authorship of the Bible as an imperial psyop" which is purely laughable.
I've posted your disappointment, thank you Mathew, and Terry's reply on my comment thread. So my response is for you and Hrvoje, so you can weigh the evidence for yourself. During the siege of Jerusalem, according to Josephus, Johanan ben Zakkai was smuggled out in a coffin and told the Roman general, Vespasian, that he would be emperor. According to the story, Vespasian gave him three wishes, which included the school of scholars who would reproduce the Torah and saving the Davidic line, who the Torah gave the divine right to rule: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yohanan_ben_Zakkai.
The Sadducees were against the Torah, which is the genealogy of the right to rule. The zealots were anti-imperialists against Rome. Zakkai came from Galilee where, he said, they hated the Torah and would "fall into the hands of robbers." This confirms the point in Jesus: Rebel or Imperialist? that the word 'robber' really means anti-imperialist insurgent. And Jesus expresses his hatred of the 'robbers' and his approval of the Romans in many passages I point out.
As Laurent Guyenot shows, there are no existing texts from before the Common Era, only copies and fragments 'wishfully dated.' What we know, without dispute, is that the Torah was 'preserved' under the watchful eye of Emperor Vespasian, who had just slaughtered, tortured, enslaved and exiled all of Judea for their rebellion. And the person who preserved it was a traitor to his people who sold them out in order to save the rulers and a fiction that God gave them that divine right. It doesn't get more imperial than that.
They misrepresent David Icke in their conversation. Obviously, they haven't read his books.
Religions reinforce the biggest threat to humanity proven in the book, "Obedience_to_Authority" by Stanley Milgram based on his Milgram Experiment.
I have a couple of very astute readers who follow Icke, particularly Kathleen Devanney. I'm not well versed on him but I don't dismiss him. This episode quotes David Icke on Hamas: https://thirdparadigm.substack.com/p/gaza-jailbreak-or-trap. I think you'd find many readers with common ground in my episode linked below. Thanks for adding your thoughts, Angie.
Here is the Substack of my response to Terry and Hrvoje, with many comments and an analysis by Frances Leader. Please feel free to join the discussion: https://thirdparadigm.substack.com/p/terry-wolfe-spits-on-spirit
Yes, especially David Icke who is grossly misrepresented.
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/664326.The_Biggest_Secret
Yes, superb. Well done Terry & Hrvoje!
Lots of people who are experiencing a true revival out of covid lack the words to express their new found faith. I fell myself at some points to word like consciousness . 90% of the folks out there have no theological education . Jordan Peterson hermeneutics lectures prove my points. People craves it, it speaks to them. They had no mother or father who went trough the material with them.
The trap lies at part of the bible taken out of context twisted and deconstructed in a perverse way. Everyone should start with reading their bibles hahahaha
That said Jay Dyer and Courtenay Turner have been very instrumental at exposing those "old wines in new bottle" pseudo intellectual movements.
In the end they(new agers) are all Marxist change agents. . . . fucking Anglo-American establishment.
Jesus came in a UFO for petrol and built the pyramids? Lol
Madness within madness.
Your the transhuman guy Joe , spin it has a silicon cybernetic Mushroom that runs on 6th G ! 😎
I think its just novelty , people need to read their bibles.
Fun fact someone came to me saying your podcast is a pro-hive mind , pro cybernetics . . .
I think he's gone. Everything is upside down. Too much gaslighting ?
Sounds like a typical paranoiac.
Takes all kinds in this great big wide world.
How come your not more popular !? doesn't make sens.
Keep up the good work Joe.
I don't aim to please. It's my own responsibility.
But I do appreciate your kind words. Very much so.
You believe in an invisible God whose representing angel commanded true believers to drive a dagger into the heart of their first born infant. Sick.
You are symbolically illiterate and didn't bother to read the end of the story.
Abraham didn't kill Isaac.
That was the point.
Examine thine own mind.
"Examine thine own mind." ....says the guy who surrenders his critical thinking to religious dogma.
All religions are mind control mechanisms to make you submit to an authority figure (in your case, an imaginary God who lives in the sky.)
Who are you even talking to here?
What character have you created in your mind?
It's more retarded than anything you accuse religious people of.
This was valuable, specifically, the longer episode link, the interstitials illustrating who and what you're talking about, and the recommendation of books, people, and resources.
Books Mentioned:
The New World Religion, Gary H. Kah
Game of Gods,: The Temple of Man in the Age of Re-Enhancement, Carl Teichrib
New Evangelicalism: The New World Order, Paul Smith
Madame Blavatsky: The Mother of Modern Spirituality, Gary Lachman
I loved that discussion - 2.5 hours felt like 30 minutes. I like this format length. Great that you have shone a light on the new age deception. Thank you and God bless you both. Interesting to hear Gary Kah mentioned. A couple of years ago, I watched this interview (https://youtu.be/DUX0iLUR4QU?si=AEL_iliJXVa3UwII) that the pastor of Limerick City Church did with him. Gary would be an interesting guest on your podcast.
Thank you for this very insightful discussion. I have known about the New Age movement since the days of Walter Martin when I saw him speak at a local church. Although I wasn't really saved back then, it really stuck with me. Now it seems to be in full fruition, and as a believer now, I see that it has metastasized fully.
I have been an InfoWars watcher for many years and have noticed the New Agers coming on the show like Mikki Willis and others. When AJ named his latest book "The Great Awakening" just like Mikki Willis' movie "Plandemic 3: The Great Awakening", I got more suspicious. He also has Mark Passio on sometimes, whom you mentioned, but he also seems New Age to me.
Funny, I have watched Spencer Smith often and really learned a lot from his "Third Adam" series, but I noticed that the E511 page has a video attacking him. Apparently, everyone has an opinion and we don't all agree on everything, but as long as we are able to recognize the New Age movement and call it out, we are heading in the right direction.
This interview insulted my intelligence. I am 69. Never called myself a Christian. Like to explore different ideas. Do not like fundamentalism of any kind. The conversation is so mixed up and the examples are so way off. Usually the geopolitics is my go to place.
Which part offended you the most, condemning Hitler or saying that humans are not gods?
As far as I can tell, Carole, we may be the only women watching. It's interesting that Terry starts by saying some men wanted him to come be their pastor because their wives were getting suckered into New Age philosophy and they needed someone to argue back. I don't think Terry believes women have the intelligence to think for themselves. Unless they agree with him, I'm sure.
Curious too that he states New Agism works by presenting false dichotomies, yet isn't that what he does here? If you're not a fundamentalist Bible thumper, then you must be a theosophist UFO Flat Earth No-Viruser. I guess now that 'conspiracy theorist' has lost its punch, with so many of us claiming it proudly, he needs a new way to discredit people. And so Terry does the exact thing he's deriding, by lumping them all together.
He also acts like you were offended, which is quite different than saying the interview insulted your intelligence, and then accuses you of being a Hitler supporter or thinking you're god. It's telling that more than half of the comments he hasn't liked.
If you do like new ideas and geopolitics is your thing, you might like this latest of mine. It looks at the morality of 'Christian' values in WWII: https://thirdparadigm.substack.com/p/poppy-wars-and-manchukuo-monsters.
The majority of my audience is female and would laugh at your weak smear attempt.
I have no doubt they would ridicule me. No one is as vicious towards other women as women who look to men for approval, as I've talked about often: https://thirdparadigm.substack.com/p/michael-tsarion-myth-of-the-terrible mother.
And only a woman who feels inferior to men would fall for a creation story that blames her for pain and death and ends with god's command to submit to her husband: https://thirdparadigm.substack.com/p/in-the-blood-of-eden.
Having listened to the whole interview, I have more to say about your low regard for women's ability to think, and will be doing an episode called Terry Wolfe Spits on Spirit. And I'll include your responses since, as you believe, "When we speak, we win." Since the Bible is your authority, let me ask you your thoughts on two of the (many) troubling reasons that I, with others, consider Yahweh to be a sociopathic creation of megalomaniac men:
When Noah, backed by god, curses all the descendants of Canaan to be slaves in perpetuity to the descendants of Shem. How do you justify that?
And when god orders the genocide of the Amalekites down to the suckling babe. Is this the god you believe in?
I love hearing from crazy New Agers who hate the Bible. Say it all loud and proud!
Terry, I'm asking you a simple question and you're dodging it by throwing out insults. You can open your own Bible and read the story of Noah, yes? I'm not saying anything that isn't in there. I'm assuming you know the story of the Amalekites, right? If we agree that these stories are in there, then I'm not 'hating the Bible' by quoting it, agreed?
The story of Noah's curse was used by slaveowners as justification that Africans were the descendants of Ham (along with Egyptians, Arabs and some Asians according to Josephus) and so god intended them to be slaves. To kill a race of people down to the suckling babe is as extreme as genocide gets, yet god is angry that they left one man alive.
Are you saying that you weren't aware of these stories, or that you don't believe slavery and genocide to be sociopathic? I'm trying to engage in a discussion of ideas and you just come back with insults.
My teacher has a saying:
“Do not give dogs what is holy, and do not throw your pearls before pigs, lest they trample them underfoot and turn to attack you."
I am 61 and enjoy different viewpoints. I researched germ theory and purchased the book "Bechamp or Pasteur", by Douglas Hume. Very relevant information in that book refuting germ theory.
This was excellent. It's been what I've been researching a lot lately. Glad to see it's becoming more widespread as a topic of discussion among Christians.
A few things you may already know but that I jotted down while listening....
Constance Cumbey wrote the first expose that I know of showing the dangers of the New Age Movement, back in the early 80s. Her books ("The Hidden Dangers of the Rainbow", "A Planned Deception") are available online for downloading.
Carl Teichrib's book is amazing! He's at Burning Man right now. Drop everything and (1) pray for him and his team as they share the Gospel there (2) Read his book "Game of Gods" now. You won't be disappointed.
What is most fascinating, and concerning to me, about this topic is the idea of the "Sacred Purge", which you touched on from the New Age angle, but which also exists in some circles of thought in some aberrant/heretical "Christian" groups. The New Apostolic Reformation, and Dominionists, whose roots in modern times go back to the Latter Rain and Manifest Sons of God movements of the late 1940s, have incorporated into their doctrine the idea that in the final days, a select group of Christians will be God's instrument to execute His judgments upon the Earth, against both those who have rejected the Gospel outside the church, and those who oppose their active project of "establishing God's kingdom on earth" in a physical way.
The best book for this that I've found is "The Converging Apostasy" by Stephen Montgomery. It is chock full of research, demonstrating how New Age teachings and teachings in some of the NAR / Dominionist / Manifest Sons of God groups are converging into a final end times apostasy that will probably be the "sea" out of which the Antichrist kingdom arises. Gnosticism is the main root from which all this stuff springs, and that is demonstrated well in Montgomery's book.
Some interesting YT channels you may want to check out are:
Magical Mystery Church
Leaving the Message (the "Converging Apostasy" playlist)
I liked what you said about how the Great Awakening and the Great Reset are two sides of the same coin. Or at least, one leads to the other, and the one is the dark and obvious evil empire which is setting the stage for the "pendulum swing" from the Right to abolish all that nasty evil stuff, but it will be a "controlled opposition", led in the background by Satan masquerading as an angel of light.
Lastly, another good book to check out was written in 2004 by Lee Penn called "False Dawn". It is also available online for free. He does great research into the One World Religion initiatives from various people and groups, like some of those you already mentioned, along Maurice Strong / Gorbachev and their Earth Charter, Barbara Marx Hubbard, the State of the World Forum, etc. Near the end of this book he warns that in a reaction to all this Leftist, Utopian, antichristian stuff, there may arise from the Right something even worse. Most people would poo poo that idea, but I think his warnings are very apropos for today.
This was a much needed video regarding the insidious, subtle infiltration of satanism into the alternative media and the truth movement! All of the new age 'spiritual' people I meet have one thing in common. They reject the sacrifice of Jesus Christ by saying there's more than one way to God. If Jesus isn't the only Way what was the purpose of Jesus allowing Himself to suffer and die at the hands of wicked men? The death of Jesus was not necessary if there was any other way.
Matthew 26:42 He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done. Jesus said in John 10:1 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber." John 14:6- Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 3:16- For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Unless you believe that Jesus Christ is the only Way to eternal life there's no hope for your soul.
Great job Terry and Hrvoje! It’s so refreshing to hear this conversation being had. Support these two Truth Seekers. They are willing to take the heat to dispel the deception.
In a nutshell (and from a lot of my own personal research), NEW AGE = NEW SATANIC AGE. It's been in full swing for over a century now (see Alice Bailey's writings & magazine).
Both Alex Jones & Joe Rogan are Freemasons. Freemasonry, at its core and especially those at the top levels, is Satanism. Both - an even Tucker Carlson to some extent - promote this new age, alien deception crap.
As for Steven Greer, it should be obvious to any one with a modicum of a critical lens, that he is either an intelligent plant and/or a major (highly skilled/gifted) CON-ARTIST. See some of my writing exposing him in section 7. Dr. Steven Greer – Legit or Placed Operative? (of my The Alien Deception Distraction post/series): https://fournier.substack.com/i/136111451/dr-steven-greer-legit-or-placed-operative
Thank you Dan! Fantastic work. Your post about Greer is exactly the kind of thing we need.
Oh, I also wanted to add something about when you were talking about the green (pale) horseman of the apocalypse and the death rider.
In a very recent post that focused on the UN Security Council's mural, I wrote about this specifically (see my section "Left & Right Panels: United Nations – the Saviour [and Destroyer]", https://fournier.substack.com/i/146503264/left-and-right-panels-united-nations-the-saviour-and-destroyer).
In that part of the panel were we see the pale horse, I wrote:
- "Here, not only does it means death to humans (such as from war and pandemics), but also death to sovereign nations, cultural identity, family, and the like." and
- "In summary, it’s really indicative of the elite’s desire to bring about massive depopulation."
I largely agree with your "Green World Order" thesis. And I often wrote about how the Green Agenda is the 3rd pillar, or glue to the new total system of enslavement with the other two pillars being a biometric digital ID (mark of the beast) + a CBDC.
Excellent. I skimmed your post already but I want to take a closer look yet.
That panel is PACKED with symbolism which I spent a considerable amount of time analysing/interpreting (backed with a lot of corroborating sources).
You do amazing work Terry. I really need to get you on my podcast this Fall if you are up to it.
I would be more than happy!
Great! Can you send me a quick note to my email at dfournier@protonmail.com? We could thereon exchange on possible dates (maybe in September?) and topics of discussion.
I was listening to this on your geopolitics and empire website, not Substack, and the video froze at 1:20 when Jimmy Dore was speaking and a message on the screen said: " media used features your browser did not support." I was on the Microsoft browser.
This has never happened before to me. I have been following you for about two years, since before you arrived on substack. I finished tonight's discussion on Substack subsequently.
Coincidence that late last night I got a strange email threatening me to agree to new terms of service taking effect September 30, 2024, or I would be kicked off of Microsoft. Then tonight this happens. Interesting times, seems like speedometer is accelerating.
I think that was simply a glitch on Odysee, where you were watching, which is not unusual. The video seems to be most stable on places like Substack or Brighteon and Rumble or Bitchute
I've actually experienced more stability on your website than on substack in the past. My old computer seemed to heat up and the experience uneven on substack; no problem at G& E before tonight. Anyhow, enjoy your work, thanks.
Your bio, Terry, says that you were raised to fear God and study the Word. But you don't disclose that you have moved far, far, from your upbringing. Apparently your views are expressed, not only in "Maybe Everyone is Wrong," but also in another book entitled "It's God's Fault." At first I thought you must be responding to people who express this sentiment, but I learned that it is actually your own indictment of God and His character.
Your book is a carelessly thought-out attempt to point an accusing finger at God. "To Him [God] belongs all accountability," you say. Accountability to whom? Do you imagine that God, your Creator, is accountable to you? God is accountable to no man and He certainly does not answer to you. Have you EVER read the Book of Job?
Your book amounts to a [muddled] 150+ page indictment of God and a denial of the sufficiency of Scripture for the faith and practice of the Christian. You actually suggest that you have a better idea for the way the world should work than God Himself - He should communicate with everyone in dreams, you say. Pity that He didn't consult with you before He created the world. Oh, I forgot, you weren't there.
You critique, rightly, those who have vulgar things to say about God, and then turn around to set yourself above God, demanding that God answer to you. In your ignorance, you attack the Word of God:
"The text [of the Bible] fails to produce clarity and consistency."
"The Septuagint sheds light, but only on a bigger mess."
"We have proof of the Bible's incompleteness in the Bible itself."
The only thing these statements, and others like them, reveal is the inadequacy of your own understanding.
You fault a holy God for the choices made by men: "Billions are destined for hell due to their (somewhat justified) doubts … and if we're realistic we must say that this is God's fault."
"God is at fault for what is happening."
I was careful to read your words in context. You have the gall to suggest that God is at fault for the choices that men make.
As if that were not enough, you go on to suggest a way for God to improve upon his plan:
"Without a doubt, God could personally reveal Himself to humans … allow me to make some suggestions for how God could have done it….God could visit people in their dreams and teach them personally what they need to know."
Your arrogance is staggering.
Fundamentalism is not the issue, because it is easy enough to figure out that fundamentalists have, in their own way, hijacked the teachings of the Bible for their own purposes. But that is not the Bible's fault. Living by the Word of God in obedience to Jesus Christ is not the same as being a fundamentalist. I am sorry if you were raised in an environment that left a bad taste in your mouth, but you are hardly the only one who has experienced this problem, who has had to figure out how to move on, hopefully in a direction that relies on what the Bible actually does teach. And yes, I understand that the first line of resources available to you within the realm of fundamentalist teaching might not have the answers you need for the 150+ pages of problems you have with God and His Word. But others have been there before you, and they have found intellectually sound answers to the problems you face.
If we care about the Word, and following Jesus Christ in obedience, we know enough to confess that if there are apparent problems with what the Bible says, it is not the inspired Word of God that is at fault, it is our own lack of wisdom, knowledge, and understanding. We determine to wait on God until He graciously gives us the answers. Or do you think you are also the only one who has ever seen apparent contradictions and not known, at first, what to do with them? Every single one of the problems you have, that you discuss in your book, has an answer that can be found with relative ease. So you are making false accusations against God, against His Word, against His character, imagining yourself to be of greater wisdom and moral stature because you choose not to put in the effort to pray, exercise patience, and study in a disciplined manner to find that all the confusion is not in the Word of God, but in your head.
You can take that in one of two ways: As an unmitigated indictment of what you have done, or as a path to get out of the tangle you have created in your own mind. Get out of your own head and do some serious studying, Terry, because whatever you have done it has obviously not been enough. Some of the statement you make are absolute absurdities. You should be studying, not writing and misleading others by your example. The number of followers you have is no measure of the wisdom of what you write.
And yes, I am being harsh, because even when we must struggle with what seem to be the most impossible contradictions of the Bible, whether apparent internal contradictions or apparent contradictions between the character of God and the reality of our world, it is our responsibility to wait on the Lord and seek answers from Him. If we find ourselves in what seems like a hopeless state of confusion, our recourse is to pray, study diligently, and seek the counsel of more mature Christians (if we can find them). We do this in private. The most difficult problems with the text are in the area of chronology, and even those can be resolved with sufficient discipline, prayer, and study.
You not only harbor an accusatory attitude toward God in your heart, you put your accusations in print to mislead others. And now you promise a second volume with more. I would urge you to quit, to renounce what you have already done, and study the Word of God and the words of others who have greater wisdom than you to find the resolution to your many difficulties. You might not find it among fundamentalists, but God will show you if you ask Him in a humble spirit. Then you can be an example of faith to your followers, rather than someone who sets their faith on the rocks.
The last thing you need to be worrying about is eschatology, if you don't even have a solid foundation in trusting the Word of God. Your eschatology is flawed. You think that because you cannot understand it, nobody can, but you are very wrong in that, as well. The purpose of eschatology is to provide support for the saints who will be overcome, because God has told us in advance what will happen. If you make predications as a result of inadequate study, then when things don't play out as you suggest, others will be left in further confusion. We do not figure out what the Word of God says by putting our own speculations out there to start a conversation with others whose speculations are no better than our own. We study the Word of God, as instructed in the Bible, before we speak.
Saving faith is more than words. We forsake the world, die to ourselves, and follow Jesus Christ in obedience. In Jesus Christ we find both perfect justice and perfect mercy. Because of the blood He shed on the cross, our sins are not counted against us. The Word of God is the most incredible document that humanity has ever seen. Nothing can compare with its majesty and its truth. It is perfectly capable of defending itself against all attacks. The Holy Spirit of God teaches us through His Word, not through dreams. May you have a change of heart, renounce what you have done, and walk in genuine faith.
What a hilarious attempt to smear my amazing book on theology! I'm going to write up a whole post about it on my Substack to laugh at your contrived, false arguments.
I'm not going to read your Substack, Terry. And I have no interest in smearing your book. My purpose is to defend the integrity of the Word of God, and to confirm for others that we follow God in love, not because He is "a dangerous force" who "holds all the cards," which makes our salvation nothing more than a self-serving strategy to placate a capricious God. If I have said something that is inaccurate, please correct me here.
My only reply here would be that you have mischaracterized the entire book. You ignored both the preface in which I clarify that I'm voicing a lament from the perspective of one who is struggling with God's judgments, and the arguments I make to back up those statements you took out of context.
Terry, in an attempt to consider every possible reason you might have for writing the way you do, I worried that when you express your struggle with God's judgments, it might be for very personal reasons. One of the most difficult realities we face is the loss of a loved one who was not a believer. The sorrow of that can be overwhelming and difficult to accept. How do I share the gospel with someone whose spouse, parent, or older child has died without Christ, if it means that person will come to the realization that their loved one faces the judgment of God?
Even under these circumstances, however, we must accept that the wisdom of God is greater than our own. Matthew 10:37 states, "He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me, and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me." With the way you write, you are walking a very fine line, putting your sympathies for others ahead of the wisdom of God. These are difficult words, but they do warn us that we are not to allow our sympathies for other people to overpower our trust in the judgment of God, who commands our loyalty - in trust and not begrudgingly. God does not punish capriciously. Too many times I have wanted a person to find salvation, but they die without faith. God has been gracious in cushioning the blow. In the extended conversations I have had with such individuals, I have always been allowed to see that, beyond the veneer that generates so much sympathy on our part, is a foundation of unrepentant hostility toward God. Yes, even in those we dearly love.
Read Luke 16:24-17:4. Do we think God could do more? You seem to think that, but this is where you cross a line and begin to oppose what the Word of God teaches. This passage makes it clear that God doing more, doing things differently, as you suggest, would not change outcomes. It is a matter of what resides in the heart of non-believers, not God's inadequate actions or what you see as indifference on His part. Once a person has proof, faith becomes impossible, and salvation is anchored in self-interest, which is the antithesis of love. Your suggestions for God do not work, Terry. They cannot serve as the foundation for a further development of whatever path you seem to be on. Your sympathy for others, my sympathy for anyone facing the losses I have described, cannot be allowed to cause us to indict God or His judgments. They remain grounded in His holiness and His love. The miracle is that the Son of God would die for us in view of our disgusting moral state and the absolute repugnance of the sin that we harbor in our hearts. If it seems that God fails to answer us, in our calls to Him, it means that we have not fully submitted ourselves to His will. That will always be the explanation for His apparent silence.
Terry, I was extremely careful to read your comments in context, and to be sure I was interpreting them in the way that any ordinary reader would. I did read your preface. I understand you are voicing discomfort. One of the sentences I quoted comes directly out of your preface, where you specifically state that accountability belongs to God - DEAD STOP. That was the conclusion of your preface. I will repeat my response: God answers to no one. That does set the tone of your book, where you write as though God must answer to you. This tone is presumptuous beyond imagination. You declare that God must explain Himself to you, and the Bible responds by saying 'Who are you to question your Creator." We approach God in humility. Period. You mislead others not only with your words, but with your very tone.
If you are attempting to use the literary device of standing in the shoes of one who is making an argument that you will then defeat, may I suggest that you abandon this effort. Even that is taking your book in its best light and then some, which would require a reader to comprehend (not just read the words) than you don't intend to stop where you leave off with this book as you prepare to do a complete turnaround (is that where you are headed? who knows?) That is extremely dangerous, because someone might read this book and never read anything else you write. It is not appropriate to engage in a lengthy assault against God and then in volume 2 say "surprise we have an answer." We are responsible for making the spirit in which we write obvious as we write, not saving it for a surprise ending. You might very well be tearing apart the faith of a young believer with your "paradoxes" which are not paradoxes at all. And in saying this I am using my imagination to give you the benefit of the doubt, and think of every possible reason for why you have written the way you do.
Your writing does not elucidate a paradox as much as it comes across as being schizophrenic. I am not saying that to be mean, but to knock you in the head, metaphorically speaking, and say pay attention before you continue on with further danger to yourself and others. One sentence praises God and the next points to His deficiencies. You seem to have a particular problem with what happens to our fellow human beings, and forget that God created them. You did not. We are not called upon to stand with others against God who punishes them for some unknown, undisclosed, unfair, capricious reason. We are called to preach the gospel, and baptize new believers. You are not doing that. God does not punish without warrant, He punishes sin because it is evil. You are too naive about human nature to write about it, Terry. You write as someone who does not understand that human beings are evil to their core. We don't need volume 2 of your writing to explain it, the Book of Romans is sufficient. You should be pointing to the Word of God, not promoting your own books.
Without in any way indicating that you are assuming a position for the sake of argument, you come across as one who presumes to redefine the character of God Himself. This is blasphemous. God's character is revealed fully in the incarnate Son of God and in the Word of God: his unfailing lovingkindness, his trustworthiness, His infinite holiness, His complete knowledge and power, and the rest of His magnificent traits. These are never acknowledge by you to contextualize what you write. Read someone like Matthew Henry, whose writing is infused with praise for God. Do you imagine your approach is superior? What you do express is not love, but the determined compliance of someone who is being crushed by a God who "can just as easily damn or save our soul." The heart of the believer says, Who do I have in heaven but you, and besides you I desire nothing on earth. That is our song, but it is not yours.
Only God knows your heart, but if you take it upon yourself to communicate with others in public, it also becomes your responsibility to build them up in the faith, not to destroy their faith due to carelessly written sentences and attachment to an inappropriate literary device. Your writing is NOT clear, Terry. You see yourself as some sort of theologian, but you are not prepared for the task. Thanks to a link from Mark below, I have seen a bit more of what you say about eschatology, and although you make some points that are correct (based on a very quick surface reading), your overall scheme is utterly unsupported by the Bible. You make leaps of logic that absolutely cannot be sustained. Your interest in the Bible is a good thing. Study and pray more.
I have read wonderful material by people who also are not theologians. They are ordinary people who have expressed the reality and blessings of faith and of walking with the Lord, especially during trying times. We teach, encourage, evangelize, by referring to what we learn in the Word of God, not by reinventing the wheel. It is the Holy Spirit, not our words that convict others of sin to bring them to repentance. That is our mission in sharing the gospel. In our style of teaching we are to follow Paul's instructions and he does not instruct us to write as you do.
As I said elsewhere, I fully sympathize with anyone who faces apparent contradictions with a surface reading of the Bible. What fundamentalists do with it is not the issue - we simply move on from the approach taken by the fundamentalists and focus on a better hermeneutic. And that is the end of that.
We are not called upon to be brilliant, or innovative in our understanding or in our communications. We are called upon to learn from the Word of God and point others to it, so that the Holy Spirit can confirm what they read. That's it. The rest is folly.
Please just live. All this text and for what. You have life, you have fresh air, people to possibly talk to if they don't think you're a complete weirdo. Either way you have everything this world could possibly offer by way of God. It is right there before you, as with myself and everyone I meet. Please just live and love and breathe until it means no more 🙏
If you choose to live by empty platitudes, so be it, but please don't impose this vacuous thinking on me.
Interesting pair of posts, sir.
But can I just ask what you mean by the term "fundamentalist Christian"? I only ask because, as I understand it, the phrase originally just meant a person who accepted the 5 rather uncontroversial doctrines (e.g. the inerrancy of Scripture, and the virgin birth) laid out here: https://www.pcahistory.org/documents/deliverance.html
Thank you for sending the link, Mark, and for your kind words. I enjoyed reading the points, because they formalize what we hold to be indisputably true.
When I used the word "fundamental" I was thinking more in terms of what it means in popular understanding today, because it was my sense that this was how Terry was using the term. When I distinguished between biblical Christianity that is obedient to Christ, and "fundamentalism" I had in mind some traits and beliefs that most people associate with fundamentalism, that are not part of the fundamentals of the faith.
One example would be the use of the phrase "reading the Bible literally." This typically means to read it literally - unless, of course, you can't, which does not provide clarity. Once we establish the meaning that was intended by the inspired author, I adhere to that meaning, without trying to allegorize or mythologize it or explain it away if it is factually or conceptually inconvenient. That might or might not require a "literal" interpretation. The English language is far more dynamic than that, which is important if a person wants to develop a solid approach to hermeneutics. The use of this word also goes beyond the historical doctrine of inspiration and inerrancy. However, for most people, what I said in this paragraph is just too awkward to express, and so "literally" becomes the catchword.
Another example would be what almost seems to be a deliberate effort to prove adherence to what the Bible teaches ESPECIALLY against all logic and reason, as if extra merit results from this exercise. Many "fundamentalists" almost seem to require belief in a young earth in order to prove their loyalty to what the Scriptures teach. I will agree with any age the Bible specifies, because I have seen "science" distorted too many times just to destroy the truth of the Bible. The reason I find this position troubling is because I have studied it extensively, and the verb forms of the Hebrew text of Genesis 1:1-2 simply do not support the requirement of a young earth. Recent creation of man, yes. Evolution, no. But we are not given the age of the earth. Yet, in the mind of the public, fundamentalists = YEC. It hardly matters for people who just want to get on with their lives, but in the case of someone who enters a university, and is faced with contrary evidence, a dogmatic insistence on more than what the Bible teaches can lead to serious difficulties, and even loss of faith. So that type of person will need to find support from other believers outside of the sphere of fundamentalism, who still adhere to genuine faith.
The same holds true of some churches who insist on the complete silence of women in church, because they read the Bible "literally" - because if there is any way to read the text on its face that is what is done, when a more careful analysis is always warranted. Another example would be the pre-tribulation rapture. I believe it is a dearly-held belief of "fundamentalists" but, again, based on extensive study, I would argue against it, in favor of a pre-wrath rapture.
I'm sure there are a few other examples, but they are not coming to mind right now. One could do worse than consider themselves to be a fundamentalist, because it is one of the last bulwarks against the many forms of error that have infiltrated so many of the churches. I would have no trouble recommending a fundamentalist church to a new believer so they could be grounded in the Word. But when an individual reaches the point where they are experiencing what can accurately be called cognitive dissonance as a result of literal readings of passages that require more than a surface analysis, then additional resources might be necessary to avoid extreme frustration. (And simply in the interest of full disclosure, so you don't have the wrong impression of me, I am a woman, not a man.)
Wow. Many thanks for taking the time and trouble to put this together.
Firstly, please accept my sincere apologies for wrongly guessing your gender, I am suitably embarrassed :o(
Next, your analysis of what "fundamentalism" has come to mean has shown me that Satan has once again taken a word that originally had a positive meaning and twisted it to mean something bad, "Fundamentalism" is now just a perverse replacement for the biblical terms "simple" and "unlearned" :o(
Finally, well done on being pre-mill and not being pre-trib. (Well done too on spotting the huge flaw in the idea that women should be silent in church.) I'd be interested in chatting privately on two of the other topics you raise. If that would be okay with you, I can be reached at meon.min at yahoo dot com
Hi Mark, I just sent an email to you. I'm noting it here just in case it goes to spam or gets lost in Yahoo space. When you get it and you have a chance, please let me know it got through. Thank you and God bless.
Mark Walker and J. P. Kerber, I am greatly blessed to have read your excellently expressed oracles from the Spirit of Elohim’s Holy Word! I'd be interested in privately connecting with you according to the LORD Jesus’ admonishment in Matthew 18:20, if that would be okay with both of you. I can be reached at johnshaphat@hotmail.com . Thank you and God bless.
P.S. For some bona fides (and to give you an idea of how long I've been deeply unhappy about Mr. Wolfe), see: https://winterchristian.substack.com/p/answering-your-questions-about-the/comments
Since I've taken the time to listen through the entire 2 hours and 24 minutes of this podcast, I'd like to share a few thoughts:
I recommend you listen back to your discussion with Dr. Calvin Beisner (was a much more balanced discussion than this one - for example the parts about Truth and Light) where you agreed with him that climate cycles exist. You said you also agreed with Pierce Corbin's solar and lunar cycles [time stamp 6:38] which you used in an environmental course you used to teach:
https://geopoliticsandempire.substack.com/p/calvin-beisner-climate-change-policies
However, for some reason in this discussion you appear to reject the notion of cycles changing from one to another. Another word for a cycle is simply an age. When one cycle ends, another one starts up, hence there's "a new age". What a revolutionary idea! (This is arbitrary stuff, though). The Hindus and Mesoamericans (the Mayans, Aztecs, Olmecs etc) measured cycles of time for literary thousands of years before concepts such as theosophy, occultism and the New Age movement appeared on the scene. in the West. They also measured cycles of time for thousands of years before even Christianity appeared.
Since you live in Mexico, the Yucatan being ancient Maya Lands, one would have thought that you would be more aware of indigenous peoples' understanding of the ancient cycles and how "New Age-ism" has been with us for centuries in various forms.
So what is this particular cycle that's so important for everyone, except for you guys? It's the Precessional Cycle. (Both the sacred Yuga Cycles and Maya Cycles are based upon it). It's very relevant at this time, (why?) because the New Cycle starts in 2030 (what a surprise, right?).
Would it not make more sense to try and understand what cyclic changes could be expected, rather than denying the existence of a cycle? [Free to download for the open-minded ...].
https://archive.org/details/navigating-the-greatest-shift-in-26000-years
And yes, it's inevitable that to understand these concepts one would have to delve into metaphysics, and sometimes such understanding can only be found in places that are less conventional, which does not automatically turn one into being 'against Christianity' (what totally ridiculous notion).
BTW, turning absolutely everything into a conspiracy can easily turn into a neurosis of constant paranoia where even your allies are perceived to be conspiring against you.
But you've just proven the point, EnergyShifts dot net. Bastardized eastern mysticism is exactly what is called "Theosophy/New Age" today, so you're correct that Westerners are importing foreign mysticism and rebranding it as "science" using false analogies -- like you just did by referring to "climate cycles", which have nothing to do with the Piscean and Aquarian Age concepts. Your concept of a New Cycle is fake hogwash, occult religious opinion, total misinformation dressed up as a quasi-scientific fact. Nothing is required to understand these concepts except the history of their teaching in our culture, which stems from Helena Blavatsky, Alice Bailey, and Merilyn Ferguson.
You're in a SPIN.
One cycle follows another and one age comes after the other - that's the general point I made. Cycles and ages govern the world, whether you are aware of it or not (or like it or not). Day and night is a cycle.
People focus on different cycles. Some focus on business or climate cycles, while others focus on ancient calendars, or astronomical, or astrology cycles. One of the reasons why people are more and more interested in spiritual matters is literally because it's a cyclic phenomenon, meaning that the trend of following cycles and having an interest in such matters is very likely to increase, not decrease ...
You guys are going to find yourselves left behind because you are not tracking what's really going on. This shift that we have entered is MASSIVE - it's better to try and comprehend it from different angles.
For example, if you remove all the esoteric and mystical ways of approaching it, but rather approach it from a Historical Cycle perspective you still end up with a similar result. Every 300 to 500 years there's a shift from a spiritual age to a material age, OR vice versa. We are at present in the very end stages of a material cycle, about to transition into a spiritual age (it has already started and all this new interest that you are observing in metaphysical topics among even alt-media, is organic ... - people are searching for spiritual answers and solutions, because everything has become so utterly senseless and materialistic in these times, such a lack of spirituality. Humans will always be spiritual seekers and that can't be stopped by insistent dogmatism).
A Christian writer has explained this process in detail in his book 'The Crisis of Our Age' - a full copy is freely available here:
https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.275906/mode/2up
The issue with basically calling absolutely everyone 'evil' who don't adhere to your world view or spiritual outlook is likely to cause a rift in alt-media, but perhaps that's actually a positive development.
Perhaps you and Mr Moric should unsubscribe from all those occult newsletters that you receive and read (which you both admitted to during the discussion) as it's colouring your views - as a result everything 'out there' appears to you as gnostic or occult conspiracies that everyone is in on, except for yourselves (apparently even Alex Jones!).
Fortunately we are free to pursue our own spiritual journeys and evolution according to our own free will.
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Sometimes people who say they are not experts at a certain topic, take it very personal when you disagree or have your own thoughts on a subject they speak about. If Wolfe could, he’d have removed your comment and would block you. It’s basically like you spanked him. Then he begins his reply with “for your enjoyment.” Perhaps he needs to mature and learn to appreciate not everyone will be a fan of his.
You obviously aren't familiar with my multi-hour live streams on TikTok and YouTube where I freely invite people to come in and disagree with me. It's been one of my favorite kinds of interactions. Far from blocking people, I love the old school internet mentality that we have the freedom to give our opinions and disagree.
the woke repressive-tolerance can't be beat hahahahaha !
Everyone in the info sphere is vying for attentions. Around 2004-2006 i tho Alex Jones could have been characterize has a "Gargoyle" effect perhaps. IF you saw ALEX periods : 08 crash+ , Ron Paul , Obama deception , EndGame , COVID its clear . His message is shape has a reacton to the big non-profit foundations IE:Rockefeller/Carnegy/Gates/Plan parenthood. If you truly watched his body of work you cannot lump him into the the new agers trojan horse. Alex hited rock bottom and surrendered to god i am still baffled at everything that unfolded over the past 5 years. Only god strength can carry someone under such attacks.
I'll leave you with his own words : Infowars is not a cult everyone is free to express ANY views. IE: Greg Reese exploration , Geizer the FreeMason , Smith and Shroyer the America 1ster, Jon Bowne is a flat out punk rocker. Just saying
IF there is a curious trojan horse thats Rogan . . . he never stray too far from the democrats interest and talking points or correctness . . . if you rather.
I believe that Alex Jones hit rock bottom and surrendered to somebody, but it doesn't sound like it's God if he's saying that the Bible is a "damn science fiction book" and that it has hidden layers of meaning that you need eastern mysticism to understand.
You should watch the shows he does during Xmas or holidays when no one works. i saw many people spill their guts in hard times hes transparent. I'll give you that one , Patchenik clip after J6 is a stab in the heart but everyone with common sens raised questions about the 9-11.
In a way its akin lets say if Hrvoje would talk about the englican church then the greek orthodox church right after. IT make sens to me that you need a broad understanding , the big picture of the Christian landscape. The luciferian faith is rampant across big tech and rich people. Would be a weakness not to look into their belief system.
There is a long line of Rose Crucian and Mason in my family am i guilty when i seek to understand ? Am just a wretch , a sinner. shrug
I'm not the judge of Alex Jones or you, God is going to handle that. My job is to warn others to know the warning signs of false teaching.
like i said ; everyone is vying for attention (including you) you're using the same tactic the sandy hook people have came up with. Your stealing his identity and selling him has a spun up product. Same gig big tech is doing. Extracting , repackaging , reselling YOU the product. I dont like Willis but guilt by association is reaching. Pick David Hike at least there is a vast written record. To back you up. Neo-platonist or Solipsism those positions fall flat on their face. It's not hard to rebuke and yet still a treat i grant you that.
To be honest there is more cause for alarm with a Trudeau giving tacit approval to burn Christian churches , the US Mao cultural revolution 2.0 .
At the moment i been knee deep into the "christian nationalist" question its almost impossible to explore or carry the ball forward because folks have surface/knee jerk reactions.
An healty dose of realism and fact base analysis would help everyone on all front.
Being the dau. of a Baptist Minister, it was quite a revelation to me to find out the "God" of the Old Testament is NOT the Creator of All. We received an incorrect translation of the word, 'elohim', which we read in Genesis as "God"....it should have been translated "gods". That in itself gives a whole different slant to the O.T. stories. Then we know that the Jesus Story we were given was the one that had been certified by the Roman Gov't. So....my conclusion is, The Bible has been one of the best tools in The Toolbox of The Controllers!! For a glimpse that the really Big Picture & where we fit into it, check out The Urantia Book!!!! On can choose which book one wishes to believe, so it all comes down to another division The Controllers can use to keep Humanity separated & fighting!
They come out of the woodwork just like that.
ROFLMAO!
Isn’t that what you like though?
For the sake of proving the point, absolutely.
Terry Wolfe, for the sake of proving your point that churches that are not 501c3 (i.e. not idolatrously Socially-Secured) are "for profit”, can you cite examples of a non-501c3 church (that is not Socialistically-Secured) being given religious instructions from a democratic Socialist government? What about the lukewarm Laodicean (501c3) Church that is patriotically secured within John Bunyan’s City of Destruction?
My point was never that non-501c3 churches do receive instructions. In fact, aside from state churches like the Anglican, can you think of any examples of a church being forced to preach certain religious messages by the government? There have been punishments for churches who give *political* messages, but I don't think religious ones. I'd be open to hearing examples.
RE: “can you think of any examples of a church being forced to observe/preach certain religious messages by the government (i.e. 501c3 government mandated political correctness) ?”
Terry, proudly displayed at the entrances of 501c3 religious organizations is the idolized, sacred image of Harlot America’s Old Glory; that supremely reigns high above the degraded Xian flag of Democracy’s apostate Laodicean Church. Obviously this is a major example of a forced religious mandate by the government over the PC 501c3 church that you seek.
Likewise, Nebuchadnezzar’s government sovereignly forced Israel’s captive Old Covenant nation to religiously bow their hearts allegiance, in sacred worship to Babylon’s idolized golden image.